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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

Yidaki

3:38 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>it looks to me like its been fully implemented on AOL

Don't know if it's fully implemented but for my fields i agree - same results at AOL now.

customdy

3:42 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, seeing results on AOL for our market..

These results are so bad I think it is good, good in a sense it will drive people away from Google to other SE that have relative results. Going to really hurt in the short term.

Atleast for our market, there is no way anyone can argue the first pages has any relative results! Way to go Google.

SirFroggZ

3:43 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting same result on AOL for my keywords as well. Not much has changed for me. Some of my KW have gone up. None have gone down. Some of my competitors have dropped significantly. Some that were spamming have been dropped.

Still to much Shopping.com, Dealtime, bizrate, epinions etc... in the searches. Looks good, but could be better.

customdy

3:47 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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see these horrible SERPS on www now too.....

SirFroggZ

3:48 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have just found some highly irrelevant searches for some of my keywords. I type in Blue widget and i all that shows up is supplies for blue widgets.

Has Yahoo not updated yet or are they on their own now?

Yidaki

4:00 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, google.com now shows some mixed results from the .99 DC for the serps i watch. To my suprise i see expired domains climbing up in the serps. They are redesigned as fake content sites for various topics, linked together through "partner links pages" + a bunch of guestbook back links. Their goal is to push some dialer sites in high traffic areas. This mix seems to work in the second update now. Let's wait and see for how long ... i doub't they'll be listed in one or two months from now.

Tropical Island

4:01 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Somebody mentioned the cache - ours is Jan. 21 as we change dates daily.

Under two headings we are virtually the same for our main site. One of our small non-commercial information sites which has been #1 for it's key local term for over a year has disappeared off the first 3 pages.

It looks like the Florida filters have been expanded to new areas and that over the next 4 - 6 weeks we should see some re-adjustments.

dazzlindonna

4:07 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It looks like the Florida filters have been expanded to new areas and that over the next 4 - 6 weeks we should see some re-adjustments.

I agree - looks like Florida, Part Two. Many of my sites that made it through Part One unscathed are now suffering the same fate as sites that tumbled in Part One. Looks like new keyword phrases being targeted.

Luckily, one site of mine that went MIA in Part One, that returned to its #1 position a couple of weeks ago, is still holding its position (for now at least) in this Part Two update. So the changes I made seem to work for both Parts.

finer9

4:10 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I actually had a site that disappeared after Florida return recently.

Dayo_UK

4:11 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



Is anyone else seeing Root/Index pages missing in some Serps too (Not again :() .

I just cant believe that one my sites index pages has simply disappeared from the Serps - no changes to the page, not spam and in a non-competitive area :(

All of the other pages are still appearing where they should.

Is the answer to this not to have any pages in the Root directory?

Marcia

4:12 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone seeing anything related to a local type search?

caryl

4:16 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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for anyone who is interested...

if you would like to see which DCs www.google.com is getting the results from...
1) open MS-DOS Prompt window
2) type in - C:\WINDOWS>ping www.google.com (then hit enter) This will give you the server IP address. If you do this repeatedly, you will see it hop from server to server.

Yidaki

4:28 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Did i ever say, i''m happy with the results ...? Obviously i've been fooled by the update fever again. My results at 216.239.37.99 are now back to standard - some even worse. Back to playing didgeridoo - no more serps watching for the next days. :)

plasma

4:30 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey, you can search all pages of a site: site:widget.com without specifying -gtfrdgfdgfds now.

tenerifejim

4:35 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My serps haven't changed much. I wish they would though. I'm sick and tired of the three 404 pages that have appeared in the 10 for my main keyword for over 6 months now. That's something google should definately work on.

ronin

4:39 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google will be really smart when it finds (let's say) the best information resource about pancakes on the net... one that has features on crepes (French pancakes) and blini (Russian pancakes) but (inexplicably) never uses the words 'French' or 'Russian' on the entire page...

And then when a searcher types in 'difference between Russian and French pancakes' it still comes up with that page... regardless of the lack of specifically relevant textual content.

I wonder if that's precisely what google is trying to work towards now, but despite all the algo tweaks it seems to be missing the mark.

plasma

4:55 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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www.google.de is the same like yesterday, no update here (at least for all the keywords I observe).
What I see on .37. is that for most keywords authority sites are #1. e.g. heise.de, onlinekosten.de etc.

Go60Guy

5:10 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, now I see it on www.

mil2k

5:30 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey, you can search all pages of a site: site:widget.com without specifying -gtfrdgfdgfds now.

Yes. Confirmed by GG.

martinibuster

5:50 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>>much ado about nothing.

I agree. The live serps haven't changed for me. Although some are reporting that they are. But the serps change fairly regularly anyway, sometimes from computer to computer- we're all familiar with that phenomenom.

textex

5:54 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing different results when I hit refresh. Two datacenters with 2 sets of new results.

drewls

5:57 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been seeing this 'new index' off and on for a couple days.

If I were a more paranoid type, I'd think Google had disabled the dns at the datacenters just to hide the progress of this 'update' from us. Good thing I'm not paranoid or anything...

Either way, the 'new', 'updated' results are on at least one of the datacenters (whether it's one we can see or not)

europeforvisitors

6:32 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



Well so much for content sites being rewarded - mine has completely disappeared from this set of search results for its major keyphrase. Pre-Florida it ranked number 8, post-Florida around 30ish, now nowhere (at least in the top 746 sites shown). No commercial content except Adsense. However, destination guides to other parts of the world are plentiful.

One of my important keyphrases slipped from #1 to #2, but a couple of others went up a few notches to #2, and my most important keyphrase is still #1. Random checks of other keyphrases that I track aren't showing any significant changes, although the overall effect seems positive for my destination-oriented travel information site.

One interesting thing is that my competitor at About.com, who usually ranks a little behind me, has slipped farther down in the listings. This leads me to wonder if the "network effect" of crosslinking between subdomains (such as widgets.about.com and whatsit.about.com) has been weakened slightly in this update. Or maybe PageRank's influence has been reduced even further.

BTW, I'm now seeing the 216.239.37.99 results on www.google.com.

Brett_Tabke

6:39 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else seeing this show up on "their" www yet?

Before we go any further, we need to make sure this is going to filter live for everyone.

(leave the philosophical discussions, the weather, your mother, how your neighbor is doing on serps, your 3page site roi values, and your optimization techniques for another thread please - this one is about an update or not.)

We have to answer that fundamental question first: "is it going live, and is this a real update or just some tecch play time"? Although everyone is wishing it to be real, I stil think this is just play time and probably won't go live.

dazzlindonna

6:42 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Although everyone is wishing it to be real

not sure how you determined that, but anyway, i only see it going on www every now and then (typical for it occasionally hitting that dc). i don't think we can determine yet whether this is real or this is memorex.

getvisibleuk

6:44 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree Brett.

I think what may have happened is that they know what is "live" on that IP address isn't the complete "solution" so they've hidden it until it is complete then it will be "global".

It may be "get to stage 14b" put to AOL to test usage and interaction. Then go to stage 28c implement on global .com which has more data and/or filters, then implement to the national sites.

? conjecture - yes but conjecture to answer the conjecture others have conjectured

enough conjecture? or should we just go out have a few beers and (try) to forget about it till the morrow.

otnot

6:46 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've seen on and off on www. and still live on Aol and Netscape.

textex

6:48 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've seen it live on www for the past week from around EST 7am to noon and later at night. And I see it live now!
I tried to post a thread during the week but the mods didn't let it go through.

As mentioned it seems as though there are 2 datacentrs sending new info that is similar but different.

[edited by: textex at 6:49 pm (utc) on Jan. 24, 2004]

thumpcyc

6:54 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Austin is live, at least the results are showing up on WWW at times. The questions is, is this it? Or like in previous dances, this is just he first step of the dance, with many other steps to go?

Not looking good from my perspective, so I hope this is just the first step in the dance.

My concern is that G has been working on this on the datacenters behind the routers we cannot access via DNS, and now they are happy with it, and rolling it out. I do not know why else we would be seeing it, when they had it contained, and kinda hidden.

thumpcyc

FleaPit

6:57 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Everyone is wishing it to be real?! I didn't get burned by Florida but this update is really starting to singe my nose hair! If it takes hold I think I might just... (puff of smoke)
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