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Update Austin - January 24, 2004

on DC: 216.239.37.99

         

paulk

5:22 am on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DC: [216.239.37.99...] Major Shuffle, looking worse then ever, results look very bad, anyone seeing this?

Chelsea

12:35 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



What's the general consensus on the main changes? I see conflicting elements in the SERPs. In some places dominated by subdomains, certainly loads of directories - but surely both these were here before.

[edited by: Chelsea at 12:37 pm (utc) on Jan. 24, 2004]

nileshkurhade

12:36 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Are the results fluctuating ...

steveb

12:41 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see at least two different datacenters feeding this bunch of results, so I wouldn't want to draw too many conclusions as yet. While these are obviously not a test since they are on partner sites, two datacenters of results might mean there are three or four or more feeding 216.239.37.99

Liane

12:43 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry to hear most are disappointed. I'm thrilled. I have done nothing but re-work my site over the past 4 or 5 weeks and am seeing excellent results.

Just back (way) off your keyword densities, adjust your titles, use "proper" sentence structure, don't keyword load your internal links and "THINK THEMES".

Most importantly, when rewriting your pages ... Remember that one page affects the others.

Also think levels. Index is most important and can bare higher keyword density, second level, lower your density, third level, lower density again ... etc.

Good luck!

needinfo

12:45 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The SERPs are jumping around like mad in our sector on this DC, one minute we're ranking ok then next not so good.

Chelsea

12:45 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



But the Themes theory actually states that the Index is one of the least important pages.

John_Caius

12:46 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well so much for content sites being rewarded - mine has completely disappeared from this set of search results for its major keyphrase. Pre-Florida it ranked number 8, post-Florida around 30ish, now nowhere (at least in the top 746 sites shown). No commercial content except Adsense. However, destination guides to other parts of the world are plentiful.

Oh, and back to the madness of the summer too - if you search for the two-word name of our site, you get a one page blog site with 21 recognised backlinks and a sentence saying "this site has moved", ranked above our 420 page content site with 307 recognised backlinks. We were here before in the time when people's index pages didn't come up first when they searched for their site name.

:( :( :(

[edited by: John_Caius at 12:52 pm (utc) on Jan. 24, 2004]

needinfo

12:49 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just checked Yahoo results and they seem to be the same post Florida results as aposed to the results from this DC.

AthlonInside

12:53 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, my site and all my competitors remained the same. Maybe Google target only the HOT industries like travel, finance, etc. only.

nileshkurhade

12:53 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Results jumping around, not stable as yet.

claus

1:19 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, they've got new IP's for the DC's huh?

ex-ex (216.239.33.99) seems different than ex-va (216.239.37.99) - however, did anyone notice that there is also a 216.239.37.98?

baron13

1:29 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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DAMN! Is google still sleeping? I still see lots of cpmpetitiors which rank high and they use only blogs to increase their link popularity!
I really think google is very slow.......and I don't like the results!

Chelsea

1:30 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



Sometimes I wonder if this shuffling is deliberate, and that we'll in future see a pattern of constant change caused by subtle algo tweaks every few weeks designed to throw everyone off the scent.

I don't mean like the old dance - where the tweaking was presumably to improve results, I mean tweaks for the sake of tweaking to keep the spammers and SEOs at bay.

worker

1:36 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is everyone able to see the DC's? When I use the Google Dance tool, I can only see 3 of them, EX, IN, and LM. All the others seem to be out of service.

baron13

1:42 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Maybe google is concentrating on hiding all datacenters and they have lots of work to redesign their servers? Maybe thats the reason why google is not updating the serps correctly?

Just my oppinion!

Noximus

1:45 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see some 216.239.37.99 results on www.
There is a mix, some results are from 216.239.37.99 on www and some results are old (at least at this time).

ImVickieB

1:51 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As of right this moment, 8:51 ET on Saturday, it looks like the changes seen in [216.239.37.99...] are hitting www.google.com. I am one HAPPY bunny if this stays this way! I went from page 98 to 1 for one of my phrases! LOL okay so now page two, but definitely an improvement for my site.

vrtlw

1:54 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lol,

Ive only just got out of bed but already can see a new google update thread getting out of hand - time for some coffee and another forum!

vrtlw

2:03 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Actually,

You know what?

I am going back to bed, time for hibernation time....

It's the winter....

worker

2:05 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I tried getting to the DC datacenter by entering 216.239.37.99 directly and got through no problem.

The search results look great to me.

caryl

2:23 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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before we get too far down the path...

Folks should realise that 216.239.37.99 is www.google.ch
Other servers that are showing the same results are:
www.google.nl (216.239.37.147)
www.google.ch (216.239.37.99)
www.google.fr (216.239.39.99)
www.google.be (216.239.39.99)
www.google.de (216.239.39.99)
www.google.at (216.239.37.104)

This update might better be referred to as "Paris" or "London"(or some other european city).

Just my 2 cents.

nutsandbolts

2:33 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Half screaming, Half happy. Content is the key to success. Still have a missing index problem....

Brett_Tabke

2:35 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, clean the thread here of a few dozen classic "we love google - we hate google - u suck - we suck - google sucks an I"m going back to beds".

Lets recap:

- A) Clearly a serp update at one major dc and it appears to be filtering to all dcs.
- B) New serps are on AOL.
- C) New serps have been seen on Yahoo.
- D) Page rank updated? Doesn't appear so.
- E) Not a major reroll like Florida, but some minor targetted stuff does appear to be different.

(lets stay on topic)

caryl

2:42 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing some minor to moderate changes to the US serps. This seems more like the "Google Dances" of old.

I've checked out the AOL results and "lord knows" what they are doing to the mix. I have always seen different results on AOL. Albeit, not quite this different from the straight Google results.

customdy

2:48 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Our #1 keyword that was lost in Florida is now back to page #4 BUT all of keywords, atleast our top 20 have been moved from top 1-5 postions to page 3 or beyond.

Basically, we will not be found in Google.

Looks like a slight relax to the Florida Filter but they did a MAJOR addition of additional Filter keywords.

I will also need a cardboard box until another search engine takes over googles #1 postion.

beezee

3:00 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Dumb Q: If i go to www.google.com and do a search, how can i tell which datacenter provided the results page?

[edited by: beezee at 3:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 24, 2004]

Go60Guy

3:05 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is for real folks. New serps are on AOL already.

caryl

3:23 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have found in searching around since the Florida update that all of the datacenters had a corresponding "cache" server.
ex. www-va.google.com had 216.239.37.104

Even though that data center is now down, the cache center is still up and running.

IN FACT that server shows the EXACT results that I see on AOL now and occasionally on WWW.google.com

ONE datacenter folks.

It has also been the case that the cache for www is indeed one of the "cache" servers for one of the other datacenters. WWW seems to randomely pull from any of the bank of servers. This has been the case, if not forever, at least for the few months since Florida.

Although, as we all know, it is possible for the results from one server to spread to the others, it is just as possible that they won't.

Lets not panic just yet!

p.s. I will agree that the results on 216.239.37.104 are awful from where I sit.

Yidaki

3:33 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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216.239.37.99 - other servers that are showing the same results are: www.google.de

Definately not - at least not all results. Although the results at google.de are different than a few hours ago, they are also different than the results at 216.239.37.99. Leads me to think that they are cooking something at 216.239.37.99 and bringing it either in parts or step by step to the other dc's. As always with updatish movements at google: too early for conclusions ... i can't see any pattern yet.

Go60Guy

3:35 pm on Jan 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, but again, it looks to me like its been fully implemented on AOL.
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