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Why would you even consider that? The first three are unrelated to the fourth.It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.
I don't get you Brett. Are you saying that I need more optimization? It appears to me that my pages may be overoptimized. I can't think of any other reason why the SERPS booted me to neverland. The site was #1 for keyword1 keyword2 for the past year and a half, settled in at #13 post Florida, and now is gone. Any suggestions are welcome.
[edited by: webdude at 2:08 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2004]
It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.
That makes up a lot of sites need re-optimizing, i better roll my sleeves up and get stuck in :)
200,000 results are returned today however 3 months ago only 70,000 results would be returned on a targeted keyword which I am still ranking well on pre-florida and during so I have no complaints.
But the increase of 130,000 results is very alarming.
I did mention the fact the google may be to good at spidering dynamic pages which is flooding their databases and making it harder to compete!
Just build more pages and write content in nice pretty english :)
It appears to me that my pages may be overoptimized.
I think he means re-optimize. optimizing is making your page rank higher etc. so if you fall you need to optimize your pages again which could mean reduce keywords or other factors which would give your page the best possible chance of ranking well.
:)
[edited by: lasko at 2:10 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2004]
Why would you even consider that? The first three are unrelated to the fourth.It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.
OK Brett, So what is optimization these days? I would have thought that it is matching the algos requirements with what you have on page etc. There has been such a marked change in the algo, optimization requirements must have changed.
Do you think that we should be focusing more on your paper on theme pyramids or on your success in a year on Google alone paper?
Please give us your considered steer.
Best wishes
Sid
PS The strange thing with all of these advanced filters is they show almost exactly the SERPs I was seeing pre Florida.
[edited by: Hissingsid at 2:12 pm (utc) on Jan. 26, 2004]
Why would you even consider that? The first three are unrelated to the fourth.It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.
Bret, don't want to get too far off topic here but many of us where thinking just the opposite, ie that the page is over optimized not in need of optimization. For us, after Florida our keyword density was around 10%, we dropped it back down to 3% pre-austin in hopes that it would improve ranking. If allinachor, allintext, allintitle are good, have good PR (4 or greater on all pages), good incoming links, good quality content, no spam, then the conclusion that we have come to is that it must be some sort of filter for being overly optimized. Appeciate your thoughts on this. We were #1-#3 for all keywords pre-Florida.
It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.That makes up a lot of sites need re-optimizing, i better roll my sleeves up and get stuck in :)
First, need to know why some clients sites did survive Austin, and others did not
A conincidence?
(BWT pageranking is sometimes higher and sometimes lower than mine).
I never thought I'd see the day a Japanese page (the whole page is Japanese and mentions the search term once in English) was ranked above me for a rather "uncompetitive" search phrase
Maybe we are in the same industry, probably not, but we also have a all Japanese site ranking much higher than us,so much for content.
A suggestion for Google, Why don't you just get rid of the search results and ONLY display AdWords? Is the idea here to make searchers feel that there is no point clicking search results because they are joke results, just go straight for the AdWords.
All good right?
My SERP for the keyword my site is about went from 10 to 140
Is there an inverse relationship in PR vs SERP or something?
Can someone explain this to me?
Dance Status
Hey Everyone, I have not seen much in the way of change in the last 24 hours for most the terms I do searches on.
I still see 3 distinct datasets, with slight movement within them (might be everflux within subsets) WWW is switching between 2 of these datasets. (I like the third one myself the best, not being used on WWW)
There are lots of datacenters still inaccessable to us.
So GG The Question is, Is The dance over, or still in mid step? With more changes to come?
Thumpcyc
I wish you would answer some of the questions on what is optimization now. I think that you have openned the can of worms and you really need to deal with it now otherwise you're going to have quite a few dissapointed folks here.
Best wishes
Sid
>> never thought I'd see the day a Japanese page (the whole page is Japanese and mentions the search term once in English) was ranked above me for a rather "uncompetitive" search phrase<<
Cheer up. I don’t mean to sound harsh or uncaring, but at least you did not totally disappear. At least there is a ‘page’ in front of yours. I vanished during FL, not in the 1st and only 1000 results displayed, and I also had 404 pages, doorway pages and non-existent domain names in front of mine.
I don't know on earth what G thinks they are accomplishing. The need to go back to the algorithm before they started using the discriptions from the directories.
>allintext #1
>allinanchor #1
>allintitle #1
>keyword1 keyword2 on www
>not found in the first 1000>Is this an indication of a penalty?
Why would you even consider that? The first three are unrelated to the fourth.
It is an indication of a page in need of optimization.
You are both wrong. The "allin..." defeats the filter. Of the three, the "allintext: " defeats the filter with the least amount of skew. This assumes, of course, that search terms should show up in the body of the page (like we assumed in the good old days before all this linking madness). It does, however, kill some of the famous Googlebombs.
If you could also explain how allintext,allinanchor, allintitle are completely unrelated to how google determines the SERPS, it would be cool.
Luke will be so happy that Google has finally upgraded to using The Force to determine search results... :p
Anyone noticing its just one word in your terms that has caused your drop from grace. I have.
For me widgets finance #92
big widgets finance #90 ish
big finance #1
For me widgets is a noun (in fact a generic name for a category of things) in the UK, could be used as an adjective to describe a type of finance but in the US it is a trademark.
Best wishes
Sid
for instance; the last update there was so much panic and the majority of my clients sites were not effected at all, sure maybe 1 or 2 but nothing to scream about by the end of the previous major update which eventually turned out A OK // well at least on my end.
i'm sure Google knows the current results that are featuring are crap.. there not stupid and they will make the results more relevant towards the end of the update.
i'm sure they just do all this just to p*** off the people at WebmasterWorld.
Welcome back! ;o)
Best wishes
Sid
i'm sure Google knows the current results that are featuring are crap.. there not stupid and they will make the results more relevant towards the end of the update.
Such blind faith is very touching ;o)
I happen to think FWIW that they would go back if this was not part of some big strategic move on the part of Google. I think that they probably know that relevance and ranking are not working together well to produce good SERPs but I also think that they have to continue, for other reasons, with the changes they have made to the algo.
Best wishes
Sid
In short my site went from a PR5 to a PR6
All my subpages went from a PR4 to a PR5
All Good News right?
But my SERP for the keyword my site is about dropped from 10 to 140
I just need to know how my pagerank can go up like that but get dropped from the index in such a huge drastic measure.
I did nothing wrong (I read all of Google's docs and I stay away from ANYTHING that could even look like Spam)
I have 10 times the amount of backlinks to the site that anyone on the first page has (much less people on page 15 where I currently sit), and it's all people that just linked to me because my content is good.
Their Anchor text pretty much reflects the keyword my site is about.
They are mostly PR5 and PR6 sites that are linking to me.
It's good content on the site and it's PR is higher than anyone on the first page's listing.
Hence I am really confused.
I for one am looking forward to seeing your analysis, last time around it was very thought provoking. I am facing the same results for the same type industry in the US. The "token/filter" list has been apparently grown. Last time they got my two word terms, really the three's get more traffic when you add them all up anyway...now they have mostly the three's also...leaving me with the odd niche terms that are "sleepers" untouched.
To me the winners of the update so far: "cloaked spam", directories and mega portals share the common thread of massive internal link structure.
Anyone seeing something else... I would like to hear it.
You are not alone in this mystery, I too have noticed an increase in PR, my site went from 4 to 5 and I used have top ten rankings on key phrases that were very import to my site and now my site has vanished from the results. They are still listed in the index and the are the most current pages, so it was not a case of the server being down. It's very frustrating but hopefully we will find an answer!
Blake
Now it's all changed. I don't get it. I write for the friggin audience, alot of original content, been told I have a site that's easy to navigate, page titles <b>TELL WHAT THEY'RE ALL ABOUT</B> yatta, yatta, yatta and now I get all these stupid referral phrases from google that do very little good.
I guess what they're trying to say is..make it too confusing for someone to want to click on a page link--put some garbage in there that doesn't make sense.
De-optimize your page navigation because they're internal links..let joe sufer find his way somehow or just go elsewhere blah, blah, blah.
Bring on a new engine!
The only explanation I can come up with is that because this word crops up a great deal all over the site (perfecturally naturally as all of the content is related to it) I'm being penalized for spamming. :-(
Using allintext also brings back my pages but I'm not convinced this means anything.
Here is something else, the top site for most of my searches is a directory type site with paid position listings. I know the guy. He uses WP Gold, which Google specifically recommends that you do not use. Yet he is always 1st page.
My logs have shown that my traffic is nearly dead for my niche sites. However my info/directory site is nearly untouched in terms of traffic, but most of the traffic is now comming from non-google sources.
One of my niche sites has shown traffic (very little) from google but it is for terms that are too general to be useful. Maybe this is just the last step before the regional SERPs kick in. That's the only reason I would believe that we should show for such a generic term.
I for one am looking forward to seeing your analysis, last time around it was very thought provoking.
I just think I notice co-incidences but don't really understand them. I just wish I could figure how to put a plan into practice that would work for me.
I'm currently seeing the largest number in the 1-100 results out of (number) that I've ever seen. It usualy is at about 200,000 for my main target phrase. It is now at 443,000 having been at 300,000 earlier today. Does this indicate anything to anyone here?
Best wishes
Sid
did similar searches on my main key phrases (travel related - italy).
Results seem to become less(!) on three out of five terms.
