Update Dominic - Part 8

Speculation Continues

[lasko]

Google now shows on their main index the new update and new algo.

I thought Google where going to add more back links but they no.

The number of backlinks on one of my sites have dropped by 50%

I hope this posting is acceptable

[Dayo_UK]

ncsuk

In the index with a fresh listing M8 :)

[UK_Web_Guy]

ncsuk

you are only in the index when a search on your domain, i.e. www.mydomain.com returns a valid result.

Being displayed in the serps on it's own is a result of freshbot

IMO

[edited by: UK_Web_Guy at 12:57 pm (utc) on May 13, 2003]

[ncsuk]

BTW quite a lot of the pages are deepcrawl results although some of the pages are new ones that have been transferred from sj + fi because they have NOT been freshbotted yet and so there is no other way for them to of got into the index...!

[trillianjedi]

ncsuk:-

You are not in the index. Those are *freshbot* listings.

I'm not sure how to make it any clearer to you - but maybe a search of these forums will find you the info you need.

I'm not being negative about it - it's great that you got a good result and straight into the SERPS with freshie (thanks to a decent inbound link no doubt). Good work! And good luck with the site.

But I can promise you, you're not in the index!

TJ

[Dayo_UK]

ncsuk..

As far as SJ and FI are concerned I am 95.2% sure that the index includes fresh pages (with no fresh tag) - picked up after the last deep crawl - but not necessarily the last time these pages have been picked up by freshbot.

EG...

Deepcrawl 18th April (Dont know exact date - not checked) - Not in FI or SJ.

Freshcrawl 22nd April (Dont know exact date - not checked) - listed and remaining in FI/SJ as if deepcrawl.

Freshcrawl 11th May - Listed in www only FI/SJ still show Freshcrawl from 22nd April (or whenever this date is).

I think that the frozen fresh crawls on FI are more recent than SJ.

Does this make sense?

[ncsuk]

Like I said its wierd...!

i've never seen it quite like this before, there is something odd about it.

Like I said I know some of the listings are freshies but some others should not be there because FB hasnt picked them up yet..!

Some pages are there I added last night and FB only came about 3/4 of an hour ago so they wont be listed yet by FB so wth is going on...!

[trillianjedi]

Could be that your seeing the new way of working for google.

I do know that sometimes freshbot listings have appeared very very quickly into the SERPS before.

But maybe freshbot now is working even faster?

Your logs will show you if deepbot has been in. 216.x.x.x

They are definitely fresh page listings though - look at your google toolbar when you visit the site. It's grey - which means not in the index (or a manual removal but that's not the case).

Can you tell us exactly what you're searching for (in broad non-specific terms) - i.e. are you doing searches for strings on words which are on pages?

Like I said I know some of the listings are freshies but some others should not be there because FB hasnt picked them up yet..!

Either you've missed them, or googles running a new bot...

TJ

[ncsuk]

Not that I can see because ive analysed the raw logs and used netracker and its all cosher.

Maybe im just going mad I did forget to take my medication this morning...

[trillianjedi]

Well, if it's something fishy, I'm pretty we will know in the next week or two.

In the meantime, if you are just in the SERPS on a freshie listing (as we suspect) - don't be dissappointed if, in a weeks time, you totally vanish from google. That is very likely to happen and quite normal until you do get into the index properly.

Use this time to analyse your SERPS results for different keywords and check out the competition and how they differ and why they're ahead of you.

Then make some changes based on that info.

TJ

[biggles]

Has anyone else noticed that Google seems to be using Meta descriptions in www. SERPS for pages showing refreshed 11 May?

I've checked quite a few results since just noticing this and it seems to be fairly consistant. Figment of my imagination or have others noticed this too?

[ncsuk]

biggles it always did.

[biggles]

biggles it always did.

So the ransom note was a figment of my imagination! Don't think so.

What I'm seeing is that if there is no Meta description then Google is still creating its own, but where a Meta description exists its using that, rather than igmoring it as before.

[Dayo_UK]

Biggles

Yes, I think this is something new!

Only time I have seen Google using Meta Descriptions recently is when there is no text on the page (EG Frames Pages)

[Dayo_UK]

Biggles - Meta Descriptions - Only on some results though - does not seem consistent

[biggles]

Yes, I agree Dayo-UK. Further searches shows it's a mixed bag. Guess that isn't surprising given the current confusion over what Google is doing.

Despite what I've seen I can't really believe Google would take a retrograde step back and rely on Meta descriptions, given the ability to manipulate them.

Maybe in a week or two this will all make sense, but right now it's as clear as mud.

[ncsuk]

The meta description from what I can see is used as a last resort if the page has no decent text. Google does display it though.

Hopefully people are not going to get excited and spam the description tag though.

[jranes]

OK, after following this thread for a large part of my adult life it seems for the May update my stuff has all migrated from -sj/-fi whatever to www. Jeesh what a haul.

[biggles]

ncsuk - until today that's how I thought Google acted. i.e. only used Meta description tag content if there is no visible on page copy to extract a ransom note description from.

But now they seem to be using Meta descriptions even when there is plenty of on page text to use.

[sem4u]

>Hopefully people are not going to get excited and spam the description tag though.

Looks like this is happening quite a lot already :(

[ncsuk]

Generally though from people who know no better.

[jranes]

OK, I take that back. It was there for a second and then gone.

[skipfactor]

Biggles, twice I saw a meta description snippit first, then page snippets. And there's plenty of text on the pages.

[ncsuk]

If it is relevant and not spammy it will be included.

[annej]

For some time I've observed that the meta description is used when the search phrase or perhaps even one of the words is included in the meta description. So if the word 'widgeters' is not in the meta desc they will take a snippet where 'widgeters' is in the text. If there is a DMOZ description they use that instead which really bugs me because on one site the DMOZ description is way out of date and I can't get them to change it.

[GoogleGuy]

I'm not seeing much different than the last time I posted. I'm sticking by the assessments that I was posting earlier, but if that changes I'll post what I can. Right now, I still expect the SJ index to carry over to other data centers, and once that's widely available then additional data will gradually be pulled in over time.

[Dayo_UK]

It looks like SJ is the one closer to the final version then! - I thought that FI looked like SJ step two, as this does seem to be the more upto date and complete index from my point of view.

Guess Again.

[dazz]

I like it GG, over 2000 posts about the 'update' and people are still asking the same questions.........which you answered about 7 days ago!

[ncsuk]

GG why dont you just tell us what you guys are up to. Go and ask the damn tech guys whats happening and then sticky mail me it.

Ill pay you :) (everyone can pay me back in installments)

[skipfactor]

I just tossed all of my update check toys in the recycle bin.

[power_iq]

hmmm, what does it cost?
hehehe :-))