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Update Dominic - Part 8

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lasko

9:43 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google now shows on their main index the new update and new algo.

I thought Google where going to add more back links but they no.

The number of backlinks on one of my sites have dropped by 50%

I hope this posting is acceptable

jojojo

6:24 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing fi- on aol.com too...

Perhaps it will fi- and then things will be added to it.

Personally it doesn't sound like anyone really knows what's happening including GG.

Nothing I read makes sense or sounds like the kin of thing a company the size of Google woudl do :(

Vrian_Sinth

6:32 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You're right. New results are now showing on AOL and Netscape.

mrbrad

6:33 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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While Google offers a very useful service to surfers ... its really not an important service at all.
If Google was feeding live stock tickers ... then it would be a different story.

If this is a mix up of somekind, Google and its surfers wont be phased much at all or much less even care.

raidersfan

6:46 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Deepcrawl is the bot that starts with 216...Freshbot starts with 68. The deepcrawl for everyone else here was from the 15-25th
Isn't the deepcrawl bot actually 216.239.46.xx? I recall there was something from Google running around last month that started with 216.239 but was not 46 that caused some confusion about the crawl starting early.

AthlonInside

6:53 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Are you guys sure it is FI and not SJ? Did you compare the # of results return? This is the best way to determine if the SERPs is from FI and SJ because they have different Total # of return results.

parabola

7:06 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Athlon - It is fi that Aol is showing.

Can anyone think of a plausible reason why Google would revert back to February crawl data? I realize they were testing an algo, but why not apply the new algo now to current data?

I am also starting to wonder if something is broke over at the plex. :(

jranes

7:12 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So the dance starts with AOL and Netscape now. Reality is more peculiar than fiction.

Powdork

7:18 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Athlon - It is fi that Aol is showing.

Maybe for you but it is definitely showing -sj results for my searches. Same with Yahoo! Although on Yahoo, for some searches I'm still getting www results. Is it possible AOL and Y! are bouncing from datacenter to datacenter for load sharing or some reason?

Added
Looks like AOL and Y would be good additions to a dance tool.

kmtell

7:21 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The searches I've done on aol and yahoo are not the same results I get on -fi or -sj. Though the results are undeniably different from www.

Vrian_Sinth

7:23 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not showing the new results on Yahoo yet, just AOL and Netscape.

mrbrad

7:27 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Is it possible AOL and Y! are bouncing from datacenter to datacenter for load sharing or some reason?"

That is almost certainly the case. I dont think the #1 portal on the internet would rely on a single Google datacenter for search results.

Google itself almost certainly dynamically switches the datacenters queired by Yahoo! based on the current load and availability of the datacenters at the moment a search is executed.

It wouldnt surprise me if Google also directs traffic to certain datacenters based on the keyword(s) queried. Some datacenters might have caches that are highly optomized for certain high traffic keywords or search string patterns.

MyWifeSays

7:28 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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parabola,

I asked the same thing in an earlier thread but nobody put any good ideas forward.

It's not the end of the world that Google have gone with old deepcrawl data but it surprises me that they didn't use newer data before going live. They don't usually mind delaying things so that everything is perfect.

Perhaps the latest deepcrawl data won't be ready for a couple of weeks? Some people believe it takes a few weeks to calculate PR and perhaps with the number of pages indexed growing all the time it now takes longer than that even. I last saw the deepcrawl on 27th April.

I got the impression from something GG said that the SERP's were going to be so much improved that it was worth going with old deepcrawl data. The only big differences I can see in the SERP's I've looked at can be explained by the fact old deepcrawl data is being used, nothing revolutionary as far as I can see.

I wonder if GG will outline the improvements after the update. He let us all know about the expired domain filter last update.

jranes

7:31 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I second Vrian_Sinth. The new results are only on AOL and Netscape, not Yahoo.

merlin30

7:43 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is an index out there that AOL and Yahoo are looking at that is like -fi but is not the current -fi. I know this because -fi shows one of my sites at #20 for a key phrase, while the same key phrase on AOL and Yahoo shows the site at #3. And it isn't -sj either - that returns the site at #18 for the keyphrase, nor is it www (#5 for that!)

Earlier today I did actually see -fi itself return the site at #3 but it has now gone back. Looks the dancing version of -fi has propogated to data centres that feed Google partners.

deanril

7:45 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For me my statics have never been on www, are now showing up. These were deep craled in april. So for me the update has happened

reneewood

7:51 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site, which as you all know has been missing from sj and fi for quite a few days now, is still showing up in the www results as well as the Yahoo results.

I have not seen any changes whatsoever in www yet. And I haven't in days.

Anon27

8:09 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I confirm FI on AOL and Netscape also.

The only reasonable explanation for this must be load-sharing.

Chicago

8:21 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Swerve and GG - Most of us understand the explanation that the -sj/-fi database is not complete and will take time.

None of us understand why AOL and Y! are showing these results. Load balancing is not a good explanation.

WHY IN THE WORLD ARE THESE RESULTS SHOWING? Why in the world would G release an index which is flat out bad. Whose interest is this serving?

It would be nice to see someone with authority give a rationale explanation to this irrationale behavior, as it is down right ticking thousands of people off.

roundabout

8:22 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> GoogleGuy: I'm expecting SJ results to show up at other data centers, then gradually over time we're going to pull in newer spam filters, backlinks, etc.

Since -fi data is showing up at AOL & Netscape, we can conclude one or more of the following:

1. GoogleGuy's expectations are not proving accurate
2. Google is having technical problems
3. Google is publishing -fi serps to it's partners, but still plans on using -sj serps itself

mrbrad

8:26 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Who's interest is this serving?"

Certainly not the interest of the webmaster. Google doesnt really care about us, the webmaster.

I can tell you now that when my Grandma goes to Google or Yahoo and searches for "sewing machines" she doesnt say ... "ah these SERPS are crap! Google blows!"

She finds a few sites about sewing machines and she is happy. Thats all that counts in the eyes of Google.

Google is even happier when my Grandma clicks on AdWords because a frustrated webmaster is unhappy with his SERPS and is ponying up for PPC.

[edited by: mrbrad at 8:37 pm (utc) on May 13, 2003]

jranes

8:26 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it is load balancing because I can terminal serve to different areas and get the same results on NETSCAPE AND AOL over and over again.

Anon27

8:31 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"I don't think it is load balancing because I can terminal serve to different areas and get the same results on NETSCAPE AND AOL over and over again."

I said load-sharing was the only <b>reasonable</B> explanation.

jranes

8:37 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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said load-sharing was the only <b>reasonable</B> explanation.

True that.

I haven't been one to criticize so far but I really thought some of the newer crawling would get in there before we started to see this. But who knows, aol and netscape may be the only ones with this index for some time.

amazed

8:45 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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my completely unconfirmed theory at the moment is

- aol and yahoo might wish for different algorithms i.e. serving paying customers better
- google thinks it wise to diversify
so in the end there actually will be different results in google, aol and yahoo depending on philosophy and paying cusstomers

I just don't understand what netscape is doing in all this...

maybe just forget about this theory

willybfriendly

8:47 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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-sj is on both AOL and Netscape. Ugly. I run a geographic (State) search that I have been #1 or 2 in for over a year and now a .gov site with no relevance is in #1. # 3 is a NZ site's link page, but at least it is on topic. I'm down to #5

WBF

crobb305

8:50 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just seems like Google is getting in a hurry and doing a crappy job. Why rush out an index that is obviously not ready? Why not get it right the first time before "gradually adding in backlinks"? They have had 2 weeks since we first saw the new index on -sj to add in new backlinks and it hasn't happened. Well..a few were added in two days ago, but big woo. The index still stinks. Incidentally, I am not speaking for myself as a webmaster, as the results for my site seem to be unchanged. I am speaking on the overall searches I have done seeking information. Lots of sites at the top with no relevancy (who have gotten there through guestbook signatures.)

[edited by: crobb305 at 8:53 pm (utc) on May 13, 2003]

jranes

8:51 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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amazed, I like your theory, I had thought of that too.

Something that would support that theory though is that Yahoo's serps seem to be coming out of somewhere different than anything we have seen for at least a week now. And perhaps AOL and Netscape have a program for their size, it was sj/fi and we saw it early.

Hopefully the ending would be that Google's www serps come out with shock and awe at their completeness and cleanliness.

Anon27

8:52 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Other "Google Partner" sites that are "Enhanced" or "powered" by Google are now showing FI results, such as Compuserve.

GG, I would have thought that you might have poped in here by now with a few words?

Whats the issue?

troi21

8:52 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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um Googleguy said the sj index would spread and the additional data would be pulled in over time, several days ago. since it's now almost the middle of may, when is the index going to be updated? the end of may? beginning of june? why is there no consistency any longer?

rfgdxm1

8:56 pm on May 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I can tell you now that when my Grandma goes to Google or Yahoo and searches for "sewing machines" she doesnt say ... "ah these SERPS are crap! Google blows!"

However, Grandma may also try out a few other search engines, and if she like the results the others give better, she may switch to them. It may not be she says "Google blows!", but that she thinks "I like msn.com better than Google."

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