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What does it take to get this crap removed? I have followed the conventions. THEY ARE ETERNAL!
Here is what they are useing:
This is a redirect to an affiliate site (xxxx). It keeps the refferring URL in the address bar.
w = 1024;
hi = 4000;
document.write("<NOLAYER><IFRAME SRC=http://xxxx" + " width=" + w + " height=" + hi + " scrolling=no marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 hspace=0 vspace=0 frameborder=0>");
document.write("</IFRAME></NOLAYER>");
There literally THOUSANDS of these pages and they absolutely dominate the serps!
Can this code be spotted by the algo and removed.... PLEASE!
That's the spirit. Learn to adapt.
I want to cry......
Lol, I had a good chuckle at this rfgdxm1 :)
Actually, if by "keyword stuffing" what is meant is high density of visible keywords on the page, this isn't cheating, but traditional SEO.
Sorry for the post if you meant it differently then I took it.
Googlebot/2.1 hit my logs on the 9th, but I've had no visits from it since.
During the dance, can I expect Googlebot to come by several times, or was that my deep crawl?
[edited by: heini at 9:17 pm (utc) on April 11, 2003]
It's not a direct saving from where i sit. "Paid listings" such as PPC, premium, etc. are generally displayed on the part of the page that is most likely to attract people primed to buy. "Natural listings" as you put it, are placed in the part of the page most attractive to "information seekers". And of course with Overture you get placed on some sites (such as AV etc) where a Google placement counts for nothing, though of course with a placement in Google you will get in places that your ov listing will not get you seen.There is no direct correlation between the value and cost of a click on PPC with the value of a position in the Google index just for these reasons from the analyses we run. I suspect you will have to continue paying OV (or Adwords) to get similar ROI.
I agree that may be the case for many. However, this companies industry it would be very hard to gauge. They require people to sign up with them to perform their service. That is about 95% of all their traffic...
And these people tend to join with most every company they can- therefore, drill down probably Page 1 of listings.
Potential clients may have a shorter attention span. But this industry is known only by _one_ term.
There is no variation on what people search for.
It is either 'industry name' or 'industry name company' that is searched.
So, if my client can stay at #3 in 'natural listings' for 'industry name company' it's a very good thing for them. :)
Regards,
AW
Did this thing settle already? Glanced a few times today and appears results are settled.. Page ranks acting weird on new sites..
Hasn't settled as of 30 minutes ago. Still seeing different SERP's on www than www2.
AW
Hmm ... yah, that's what i think about since this morning when i started to follow the update wave. I remember, some months ago, i was quite sure that good content and just making a valuable site is the best strategy ... not true! Contracts - wether they are for content or for ads are made wtih those who have the most traffic. No matter if the quality is ok - if you have ten times the traffc with spam and just 50% of this traffic returning leads or sales because 50% of your visitors notice that you are just spamming, you earned still 5 times more than the "honest" guy - that's a good income. Time to think: feed or die ...!?
Just a gentle reminder though: spam reporting is not done here. It's done at Google. Thanks.
GG, did you hear Yidaki?
This goes directly to my point of having to cheat to succeed. People will eventually be forced to cheat to compete.
Better get that spam algo cooking.
Did i miss something? I wasn't to rude, or!?
Anyway, from where I sit Google is not extremely spammed. It's about the same amount of spam I see in any other major engine. By spam I mean listings not giving the user what he's searching for, thus negatively affecting the search quality of the search engine.
I hear ya heini, believe me I have reported some spam, and I am waiting patiently. And for me, Google kicks *** on other SE's wrt Spam!
I would love to hear what other people have seen WRT the freshbot theory. Again (let me beat the horse), for me it seems that some freshdates manage to happen without including reported spam, and others seem to miss it and include it.
Interesting......
Yes, that is pretty much what I'm learning.
While my site still did very well, it just drives home the point that every algo change requires adaptation.
If you have to stuff a page full of keywords like we did in the old days, so be it. Even though Google doesn't like tons of repeated keywords, it appears that the algo now likes them so us front line troops must adapt our plan.
I'm sure next dance, we'll be changing things again.
Just go with the flow I guess and hope for the best!
Hmm... is that the definition of spam? If it is, then I should be able to stuff my backround with keywords of the same color? I mean as long as I'm delivering what the user is looking for?Interesting......
Heini actually said "negatively affecting the search quality of the search engine". This includes artificially positioning yourself higher than the content of your site deserves by trying to deceive the search engines.
c1bernaught - if you want, try out some dubious techniques. The question you have to ask yourself is how long you will stay on the other side of the fence before you are back at WW posting 'what happened to all my sites?'. But this might be a long time from now, so make your decision.
Umm... how does getting yourself up in the serps by using spam adversely affect a users search experience? If the end user is searching for widgets, and I sell widgets, why does it matter how I get there? I mean if spam works, is looked at as being a good way to get to the top, as long as it doesn't affect the users experience, why not use it?
It's being used against me every month.
Users don't give a hoot about hidden stuff, it's competing webmasters who go through the roof
This is partly true, but I think it could be infinitely damaging to Google if the average user thought that it was 'easy' to fool Google's algorithm with such techniques.
Umm... how does getting yourself up in the serps by using spam adversely affect a users search experience? If the end user is searching for widgets, and I sell widgets, why does it matter how I get there?
Lets say we have 2 companies who sell widgets. One is an internationally reknowned widget seller, and the other is an poor company who is not well known. From a visitor point of view the first site is the best match for widgets, and in the general scheme of things, the company's success would ensure they rose to the top, through incoming links etc..
If the second site knew spam techniques which helped got to the top they would be able to get there unnaturally - the algo would suffer and Google's popularity will eventually suffer also. This an extreme example, but I hope you can see my point.
[edited by: pixel_juice at 9:51 pm (utc) on April 11, 2003]
You have opened my eye's to a myriad of possibilities!
I was looking at this thing all wrong. It's not about getting to the top by following the rules, it's about getting there any way you can while still delivering the results that the end users wants!
Very enlightening!
That's it!
This appears to be a very profound statement. The evidence of last few dances shows that as long as the user gets what they want, you can basically do what ever you want to your site and Google won't care because the user is still getting a good result. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
This does open up a lot of other possibilites indeed!
If you use either www3 / www-ex directories and see a website with no PR, but yet click on it and it has a PR of 7 what does this mean?
Many thanks,
-gs
