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Update Cassandra! Google Montly Update

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3:23 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Check it out, I'm seeing 661,000 links for yahoo.
8:08 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Powdork, honestly I don't use link: much at all. I usually talk directly to the backend servers. So I'm trying to be helpful, but take me with a grain of salt.. :)
8:08 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My backlinks show as 0 although if you do the same in Lycos I have 246 I think!
8:08 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like a good update for me and mine.

Only thing I'm really bummed about is that a new page I added a long time ago- before deep crawl - was not added to the index.

It's linked to my site map which is linked to every other page and ALL my pages from my site are indexed...with the page I'm talking about being the exception. :(

It's a page I *may* be able to get to an Ok ranking too for one of my Overture terms.

Any ideas?

TIA

AW

8:10 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ncsuk I'm glad to see you changed your mind about doing something useful and joined the sky is falling crowd :)
8:10 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG...take you with a grain of salt? How about a speck of paprika? Or a gram of cumin? hehe
8:11 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy --> "Alphawolf, could be that some of the links were detected as duplicates."

Googleguy, the duplicates you're talking about, could that have something to do with your remark that spam would be filtered out by automated processes instead human intervention a couple of weeks ago?

We've seen lots of changes the past few days where competitors who use shadow domains etc. are out of the serp's (finally!).

8:11 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The problem mentioned in message #224 now seems to be solved. The mentioned search term gives a completely normal SERP. Just a glitch?
8:13 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy
I really hope you know that myt last post, as are almost all of mine, was filled with salt, as well as a bit of pepper.;)

rfgdxm
I hope you didn't take offense. The 44D comment the other night actually got my hairs standing up.

I'm gonna go talk to my buddy hoookah:)

8:16 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No worries, Powdork. :)
8:19 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG,

Alphawolf, could be that some of the links were detected as duplicates.

OK. That is probably it.

I told my client that it can take up to 3 Google indexes for links to show up in 'link:www.domain.com'- is that correct?

Thanks for chiming in when the time is right for you. ;)

AW

8:20 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Powdork, honestly I don't use link: much at all.

Then who checks all of Google's backlinks to make sure there are no bad neighbourhoods?;)

ps. I appreciate your help immensely (see msg#:46)
Thanks:)

8:21 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Erm thanks Morgan.

I tend to stick around search engine forums a lot and you can tell by the fact I have more posts there than some of the moderators but hey whos counting.

Ive been here about 1 whole month now but never really posted as I have really checked back here. Maybe I will a bit more though :)

8:23 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmmmm...my new site is showing a PR of zero? That can't be good! It's a new site..and I've used Brett's 26 step advice..I haven't spammed or hidden any links? I'm kind of confused...And I've got several backlinks pointing to my site as well. Did I do something that Google didn't like? Or can I expect this to change once the dance is final?
8:25 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Youll probably have to wait till next month to get a PR because it usually takes 2-3 months from initial index to get one.

If you keep looking at you're PR though you will probably see one there every now and again but it will appear and disappear whenever it feels like.

8:25 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hopefully, the cache issues will resolve with time. I can't believe how many listings are showing a completely different page from a different domain.
8:26 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)



Yes, that pattern is certainly there GG. It used to annoy me to a degree, but I'm older and more philosophical these days. I suppose those stages are natural human reactions to events that after all do have an impact on livelihood..

I think with experience people realise that ebb and flow is natural and unavoidable, and come to terms with it. But it takes time.

Still... it always makes this an entertaining thread. I love the enthusiasm.

8:26 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I believe PR fluctuates until the end of the dance.

I just opened up my site in 2 different browsers - one showed PR6 and one PR5.

Scott

8:27 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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davewray, don't panic, could be for a million reasons, but most likely as that you'll just have to wait another month. Probably your links didn't get caught this time around.

And hey, if everyone's reloading these pages all the time, make sure and make it count. Hold down your CTRL when you refresh to make sure the graphics reload too. I'm sure Brett will appreciate the extra effort and bandwidth expenditure.

8:28 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank-you for your answer ncsuk...does it usually happen that way? Man, it'll be tough for me to get more backlinks then if the other web sites see that my main page is PR0! Oh well, I will continue to plug on and try even harder!
8:36 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Question for the panel:

I uploaded major changes to about 20 new sites last Friday.
On Sunday freshbot picked them up, new titles, completely new design, new keyword rich text - these new caches showed up on some serps, but not all - perfectly normal.

Now on www-ex I am seeing the old cached pages on the new serps - does that mean I will have to bear the effects of the old cache until the next update?

Good luck to all in the update ;)

8:40 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I cudn't find any major difference in the SEPRs. What is the reason?
8:41 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ALL of the new sites (unindexed) that I have got into the index have taken at least 2 months to get a PR.

My site for example was a completly new domain name. After 1 week of the site being live I had a PR of 0 and it stayed that way for 2 months. Now I have a PR of 4 however my backlinks have not showed up yet.

You really need to give you're site about 3-4 months or even longer before you will know to what extent exactly and how well the site is going to do.

I would say that 6 months is not too long to wait although it can seem like a lifetime.

8:41 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank-you for your answer ncsuk...does it usually happen that way? Man, it'll be tough for me to get more backlinks then if the other web sites see that my main page is PR0! Oh well, I will continue to plug on and try even harder!

Send them an email saying you'll link to them from 'this page', linking to 'this page' and they'll never know your home page has no pr. Also, if they're using the toolbar, your homepages pr will likely show as that of the referring page.
8:42 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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:::does that mean I will have to bear the effects of the old cache until the next update?

You have to wait until the next dance because the deepcraws has to get them to be listed for good.

*Fills like I'm on crack, brain want's me to go inside the computer, seeing things.*

8:42 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How much change can we expect from the ex results to final index?

I recall people talking about SERP's jumping around until it hit the final index, but I didn't see that for any of my SERP's last index.

I got a client who was paying Overture $6/click for a phrase to #3 on the ex server. :) I expected that term to do well.

but...the more general term that his industry is known as (two words) only went from 32 to 14- and that happened with Freshbot/Everflux. I was fully expecting this phrase to get to Top 10 if not higher and can't figure out why it's not. :(

Not because of me so much as there is little competition...that I thought it would do well.

Also, I find it _VERY_ odd that the page I optimized the $6/click Overture term for is NOT the page that Google put at #3 for that phrase. They used his index page which is a Flash intro (no comments please) and an entrance with two buttons for the two groups of people he needs to appeal to. Plus, the redundant links w/sitemap link to all pages of course.

There is NO text at all on the index page except the footer w/tagline. And the Page Title (this seems a big deal in his SERPs) is less optimized for the phrase that comes up ranking #3.

So, is it possible the rankings could change significantly from the ex server to the regular index? I know for fact none of his competitors have changed their websites at all.

TIA

AW

8:43 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DotBum

Dont be suprised if the new pages fluctuate in and oout of the listing for about 1 month as google will alternate through them to try and get a feel for what has changed and the rank it should give the new pages.

I have cached pages on my domain from 3 months ago still showing every now and again in the cache but the new pages are the ones that are actually listed.

8:45 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You have to wait until the next dance because the deepcraws has to get them to be listed for good

Darn it - I was so pleased with myself for getting them in freshbot before the update!

Cheers for the feedback

8:46 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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::I got a client who was paying Overture $6/click for a phrase to #3 on the ex server.

Um, Overture has nothing to do with Google. Nothing you do on Overture will get you a higher ranking on Google. Look at top ranking sites in Google, not Overture.

8:46 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow, 2 to 3 months before I receive any PR? That will seem like an eternity! But it'll be a great amount of time for me to improve my site immensly and even double the number of pages of content I already have :) Good grief, waiting 5 or more months to see if my site will "make it" is going to be as tense as watching a Bonsai tree grow! LOL
8:47 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cheers ncsuk - that would be in keeping with what Jesse said - guess I'll have to learn to be patient :)
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