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When date did the site go live?
Have you been spidered by deepbot or just freshbot?
If just freshbot you will probably have to wait until the next update.....
However you can still get good positions in serps with just freshbot :)
should add that site is the one that comes up first alphabetically in "wind chimes" category at dmoz if that helps
I have a quick question and I'm hoping someone can help answer it (GG?): the SERPS for one of my most important keywords looks like it's changed significantly (happily I've moved from 6 to 5 as a result). One of the things that's happened is that the top ranked site is now a URL which re-directs to a completely different site. The site it re-directs to has the KW as its URL and is itself No. 2 (it was previously No. 1) The KW is the name of a product for which there are many affiliates (and I am one). The No. 1 site has chosen to take the laziest method imaginable and just redirect to the vendor's page. I and many others have put time and effort into creating content around the theme and have a lower ranking. How can a redirected URL get No. 1 in a popular keyword SERPS?
Also, at No. 4 is a URL (no site name or page title or description). Clicking the URL goes to a carbon copy of the vendors page (could be a cloaked re-direct). Going to the root of the URL shows the homepage to be a blank page with four URLs on it, each is a link to an affiliate product with no content other than the vendor's own sales page.
Now, while I'm delighted that I've moved up a notch, and I fully understand that the update isn't over, and the No.1 site has a fresh tag (April 10), I can't see how these two sites provide any value to searchers whatsoever. Essentially three of the top four listings in the SERPS point to the same page. Has anybody got any idea what's going on?
Apologies for the rather long-winded explanation, I realise that most people around here are way too exhausted to want to go into any detail. But I thought I'd chuck it in in case anyone else is experiencing anything similar. It's certainly not because I'm bitter, honest, no ..... really, I'm not ;-)
Kenny
One of my sites was new in February and the first time it was in the index it was a PR0 and no backlinks.
Some people have said that your page has to be a certain PR before backlinks are showing - PR4 - I think
I queried my PR last time and Googleguy confirmed that it was not uncommon for sites to start off with a PR0 and build there way up.
It could be that most of your links were added after deepcrawl had finished - however if you are having fresh pages IMO it would suggest that you are on the right lines.
last month: not in top 1000
this month: #8 ;)
(receives 300k searches on Overture per month)
Anyone else with huge advances?
D
I am seeing changes in the toolbar PR - not very stable - normally does take a few days to settle down.
It's all too unstable at the moment I think, looking at backlink etc results....
More beer is still 2.910 Million in www, or www2 or www3
Hey - there is no update. If there was an update
- there would be more beer
- esp on a Friday night
: )
Seriously - Googleguy - we'd get more beer if there was an update - wouldn't we?
Yahoo! gave us a special purple fridge - full of beer - and every week.....
: )
Have we seen this yet - have not read the full thread
Anyone else still awake from yesterday? e-v-i-l updates! :)
"...To sum up, this site owner is using a machine that automatically creates for him thousands of inbound links, complete with his target keyword in the anchor text, within a short time..."
The software is just an aid.
The decision to exchange links or not is still yours! He is not creating inbound links out of the blue.
I exchanged links with him and he personally answered my emails and suggested the proper categories to place my links in not once, but many times. The little thumb is a nice feature too!
One more thing. By posting his URL as your homepage, you are promoting him.
Of course, the number of links isn't the only factor in judging PR - quality and anchor text are also important. But in this case, the sheer weight of the number of links appears to have been enough to push this site up the SERPS.
It's one thing to link campaign by manually searching out related sites and requesting links, it's quite another to harvest email addresses and send out spam. BTW even if you don't consider the link strategy spamming, the method by which email addresses are harvested and unsolicited emails sent certainly is.
Several of our sites previously had all internal pages ranking the same as the home page but now the internal pages have been knocked down a notch.
The same effect has been noticed on competitors sites. In one case they linked each page of existing site to the home page of their new site (as only inbound links) and the new site carried the same PR of the existing site. Now that PR has been knocked down a notch.
One of our sites home page was knocked down a notch.
The SERPs are fine. It seems that something happened "across-the-board" and therefore results aren't affected.
damn robots.txt ... that site isn't even in the www3 index ... good thing it's not a source of income...but damn
It's one thing to link campaign by manually searching out related sites and requesting links, it's quite another to harvest email addresses and send out spam. BTW even if you don't consider the link strategy spamming, the method by which email addresses are harvested and unsolicited emails sent certainly is.
That's exactly my point here.
GoogleGuy said earlier in this thread:
we definitely aim more for the algorithmic approach than manually removing a site on request
And my question to GoogleGuy is this: how would you deal with instances of blatant spam that can never be traced algorithmically. For example, there is this site owner that uses a proprietary software program that automatically creates for him thousands of inbound links, complete with his target keywords in the anchor text, within a short time. This automated software harvest emails from thousands of sites and then automatically composes and sends to each site an email, requesting to exchange links.
I don't see how this kind of spam can be dealt with effectively by algorithmic approach.
[edited by: garylo at 3:59 pm (utc) on April 11, 2003]
link:www.mydomain.org = no results found
but
allinurl:mydomain.org = 199 results
Commonly used search terms still place site in nice positions, albeit the serps no longer include the index page and are not always the page I would have expected. But hey, if nothing else, this latest update should increase traffic to some internal pages and the site nav bar can take it from there.
So, with the nap over, and lemons becoming lemonade, tis time to exit, stage right.
Luck to all.
As you said, if this is across the board, it isn't a problem, I just hate to see any of the mature sites drop. I suppose the important thing to remember is the SERPs and not worry about the PR.......
Steve
Pretty disapointing!
I thought for sure this dance would remove some of it.
Thanks in advance.
GG, I did what you said. I sent in spam reports with all pertinant information and included my handle here, your name, WW, etc..
What gives? These guys are blatent as hell about what they're doing.
May I nominate "doofus" for the next update's name ;-)
Bob
which if you visit with user-agent set to googlebot
Can evock or anyone tell me how to change my user agent like so?
Can evock or anyone tell me how to change my user agent like so?
Well I do it via the unix program "links" like so:
/usr/bin/links --user-agent "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html)" --source [something.com<...]I run that from a PHP script so the output gets fed right into my browser.
If you use Mozilla or Netscape 6+ I think you can edit the prefs.js file to set the User-Agent string to whatever you want and it will do basically the same thing, but you should remember to set the UA back to the default when you're done playing :)
Domain name seems to still outweigh other elements:
A site named Girlscoutcookies dedicated to widgets will likely out-do a site named GScookies or ScoutCookies for a search of "Girl Scout Cookies."
A site named WidgetWorld dedicated to Girl Scout cookies will probably out-do a site named about anything else for a search of "Widgets around the world."
Titles, H tags, etc., as well as keyword density and PR are apparently less important than they were 6 months ago.
Why would sites choose names that don't contain the precise keywords they are after? Well, how about branding? How about the fact that many sites have been around for longer than Google? And when they were established they went after branding rather than SEO.
IMHO, relevancy while still better than anything I've seen on the web, is less than it could be.
Make no mistake about my comments. I'm not complaining. I'm still getting more than 2,500 referrals per day from G and regular visits from Freshy. I'm not being greedy either. I just am frustrated by the fact that the domain name gets so much weight.
Take a look at the domain name in my profile. Now search each of the two words in it. I'm number one for each word but when you get to the subject matter of the site, I'm something like number 160 for that keyword. And each of the two words in my title is only loosely associated with that subject. Keyword combinations on my subject matter saves my butt as I do well. But if someone selling widgets or girl scout cookies were to create domain names with these keyword combos, they would surely take my traffic away!
How are the domain names "Google," "Yahoo," "Alta Vista," etc. not correlated to "web searching?" Well "web searching" is not in their domain names so I guess they can't be number 1, 2 or 3! They aren't!
Not really complaining, many of my sites stayed about the same or did better, but the ones that didn't, didn't for very strange reasons that really make no sense to me, such as this one.
