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Update Cassandra! Google Montly Update

Part ONE

         

qball0213

3:23 am on Apr 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Check it out, I'm seeing 661,000 links for yahoo.

Marcia

2:43 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone think it's over already? 661K on www. and the same new results are there now as what I'm seeing on www2. And the new backlink count is there.

Lemon

2:57 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is it possible my site hasn't been crawled yet? I'm not noticing any real changes from a few days ago on either www2 or www-ex...

rfgdxm1

3:03 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Anyone think it's over already? 661K on www. and the same new results are there now as what I'm seeing on www2. And the new backlink count is there.

Nope Marcia. Using one of those Google Dance machine websites, I see only 3 of 8 datacenters updated.

przero2

3:19 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)



what really changed in this update?. it seems there is a wide lowering of PR by one that I watched on several web sites in multiple industries ... well other than that plus a normal inclusion of new sites, what else changed in this update as i don't see any thing else. at least there was no major shock or change to us despite a delayed update?

nativenewyorker

4:01 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Marcia:

www was showing 692,000 backlinks for Yahoo for me in NY as recently as 1/2 hour ago. It is now 661,000 but I suspect it has not settled yet.

Ted

Rick_M

4:08 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't know if anyone else is noticing this, but my results are very different whether I select to view 10 results or 100 results per page.

I normally check 100 results per page so I can find my sites easily. For one of my phrases I moved from 12 to 22 (when viewing 100 results), but then someone else checked and was telling me I've moved from 12 to 13th. Turns out they were viewing only 10 results per page. When I check 20 results per page, I moved from 12 to 14th.

I'm glad to see that on a page of 20 I'm still in the top 20, as that seems to have been the number of links that make it to yahoo's front page.

With the long thread, I'm sorry if someone else has already mentioned this.

ken_b

4:14 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Rick_M; That variance in results when view 10 vs 100 results is quite likely due to clustering.

The more results you select, the more clustering you see.

canuck

4:16 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Rick_M: Don't know if anyone else is noticing this, but my results are very different whether I select to view 10 results or 100 results per page.

Rick_M, I think I posted this 200 or so messages back... ;)

It seems that as you choose more Results Per Page that Google is more apt to give multiple results per website (ie. sites are more likely to have 2 relevant listings - one indented).

I guess you're telling Google "I want more information", so it's giving it to you!

Pyewacket

4:18 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm just tickled pink. If the PR sticks, I went from PR3 to PR5. AND I jumped from page 2-3 status to #1-4 for ALL all of my targeted keywords. No cheating, no sneaky stuff, just plain old good content, basic SEO stuff and a LOT of hard work. Yes, I'm insufferably proud of myself. Yippee!

rfgdxm1

4:30 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>what really changed in this update?. it seems there is a wide lowering of PR by one that I watched on several web sites in multiple industries ...

I have been noticing the home page of my main site fluctuating between PR5 and PR6. Last month it was a PR6. I have a bad feeling about this. :( Although, it may be due to the fact Google somehow managed to not credit me for the link this site has from dmoz.org in a PR5 cat. However, for all the critical SERPs I have targeted, my site basically is doing exactly as well as before the update. However, still #4 for that all important single keyword I keep trying to do better on.

g1smd

6:23 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Any response to the question in #164?

GoogleGuy

6:27 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the odds are pretty good that the site would show up in the next update, g1smd. I've learned not to make promises or commitments though. :)

ibasq

6:36 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing things I just don't get...example:

when I check the google-dance tool for one of my "keyword phrases" on www, www2 and www3 I am #2

then when I go to www.google.com and search the same "keyword phrase" I'm not here....?

but then when I go to yahoo.com and search "keyword phrase" I am #2 again...

anyone else having anything similar?

Regina

steveb

6:49 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm check the backlinks on your profile... none from the Google directory show up.

Links from both dmoz and the Google directory are missing in a very high percentage all over the Internet in diverse subject areas.. And it's not consistent, a dmoz cat backlink might show, where a Google Directory cat won't, or vice versa.

<edit... easiest way to check this is look at the backlinks of middling sized dmoz or Google directory categories. They won't show all the backlinks from other dmoz or google directory categories.>

rfgdxm1

7:16 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>rfgdxm check the backlinks on your profile... none from the Google directory show up.

I hadn't thought to check that. You're right. And, other ODP editor's profiles show Google directory backlinks, so this is not as it should be. Also, I notice that the backlinks to my editor profile page don't even list some dmoz.org backlinks of cats that I edit, and should be listed because they are <PR4. Something is *seriously* hosed at Google, and they are botching things really bad. Something is seriously broken at Google if you are seeing this widespread with numerous ODP categories.

steveb

7:49 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Something is seriously broken at Google"

Well... we know the ODP has been unavailable continually all month, and I suppose this may be evidence that the way the Google Directory gets crawled is via that link on every ODP page.

It's only Google's fault that they don't buy the ODP.... :)

ncsuk

7:57 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Please remember that ODP is owned by Netscape, that says it all for me....!

getvisibleuk

8:12 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is it me or have dmoz and google directory pages moved much higher in the serps?

ncsuk

8:15 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Probably Google doing its

"Shameless self promotion"

bit again

bull

8:36 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is it me or have dmoz and google directory pages moved much higher in the serps?

Think so. Only got my second DMOZ listing and one link+ after the last update and moved UP to #1 where I was #5 before...please please let this be stable.....

brizad

9:15 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The strangest update I have ever seen!

The cached google version of my site IS NOT MY SITE...what's up with this? It is not even remotely related...dermatology vs travel!?

A PR of 5 but zero back links.....

On the plus side it appears that we may have moved up 9-11 spots from where freshbot had us for the last few weeks. We screwed up our robots.txt file in late Jan so were not in the Feb update. Freshbot got us back but with no links or page rank. We went from #4 (pre-robot screw up) to #19 (indexed by freshbot) to about #8-10 now depending on where you check.

Anyone ever seen this deal with another site as your google cached version? Very Strange!

shaadi

10:47 am on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The cache shows my new page but old titles why is this so? when can we expect that google will update its directory? when can i see my new dmoz directory listing?

affiliateguy

1:49 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like a little Altavista technology has been used in this update.

I see that "Welcome to MSN.com" comes up on the 2nd page of the results now when searching for free credit report.

Altavista had Google in the same position the other day for the same term so could this be a payback for "all" that traffic Altavista sent over to Google...?

bether2

3:05 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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brizad,

Since the recent update, others have mentioned the same problem - ie, the cached site is not their site. I can't find the thread, tho'. Maybe they were posts in the threads for this month's update.

Beth

Huntersbiz

4:15 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy,
With all due respect (and that's plenty of respect!)... If somebody e-mails a spam report to your attention and mentions WW and nothing comes of it...
What are we to think?
Is it simply that you have too many of those and not enough time or is it policy to ignore them? When a site so full of cloaking that they rank #1 depite showing a 404 error page that is bad for Google... no?

Just wondering if you would be willing to help us understand the process.

rfgdxm1

7:39 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Well... we know the ODP has been unavailable continually all month, and I suppose this may be evidence that the way the Google Directory gets crawled is via that link on every ODP page.

No, it can't be just that. Google incompetence has to be involved here. If the problem were the ODP being down, then why has Google indexed my ODP editor page, yet none of the *Google directory* backlinks are showing? Google shouldn't have had any problems spidering its own directory on its own servers. Plus, there are cases where the Google directory backlink is showing for sites, but not the dmoz.org one, so what you suggest above doesn't explain this.

french tourist

9:15 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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steveb (or rfgdxm1)

Links from both dmoz and the Google directory are missing in a very high percentage all over the Internet in diverse subject areas.. And it's not consistent, a dmoz cat backlink might show, where a Google Directory cat won't, or vice versa.

I'm not sure I understand why this should be a problem. Since the link: query returns only half the links with PR >=4, there is nothing strange that for some sites one or both of Dmoz/Google directory links stay hidden. Or did I miss something in the meaning of your observation?

rfgdxm1

9:24 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I'm not sure I understand why this should be a problem. Since the link: query returns only half the links with PR >=4, there is nothing strange that for some sites one or both of Dmoz/Google directory links stay hidden. Or did I miss something in the meaning of your observation?

Then why is my ODP editor profile page (editor name = rfgdxm) missing ALL Google directory backlinks it should have, and almost all of the dmoz.org backlinks it should have? Either Google has just failed to count lots of backlinks, or possibly the link: command is not showing lots of backlinks Google did count. It is possible the bugginess is the way the link: command is working.

french tourist

9:35 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Either Google has just failed to count lots of backlinks, or possibly the link: command is not showing lots of backlinks Google did count. It is possible the bugginess is the way the link: command is working.

"This is not a bug, this is a feature". Clearly this command returns nearly exactly half of the possible results (supposing there are not thousands of course). Try it on any example : the total number of answers returned (after clicking if necessary on "repeat the search with the omitted results included") is exactly the half of the number announced in the blue stripe ("Results 1-10 of about xxx")

This is clearly some voluntary choice of Google's engineers. Now why did they do that? I have not the slightest idea.

steveb

9:35 pm on Apr 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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french tourist, I can't explain why Google has that number double the links shown, but previously all dmoz and google directory PR4+ links would show always (except on rare exceptions where there was a glitch). Google does miss pages all the time. The concept of crawling is certainly not 100%. But here we have a huge amount of missed links from two relatively important sources of links.
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