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Major changes to AdSense

Pricing structure and ad relevance

         

markus007

8:04 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Unless adsense is sending out a april fools joke, what do people think of the changes? Every site has a unique pricing model?

For example, a click on an ad for digital cameras on a web page about photography tips may be worth less than a click on the same ad appearing next to a review of digital cameras.

[edited by: markus007 at 8:08 pm (utc) on April 1, 2004]

kwasher

12:56 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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However, the AdSense program has matured enough that it is time for Google to provide something substantial to the *publisher*. We are, after all, the other half of the equation.

I wouldnt say half. While AdWords could exist without AdSense, the vice-versa is not true.

In the end, it will probably be just like any medium- you will have to decide if works for you and continues to do so.

Edwin

12:56 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't believe in any kind of "entitlement" from Google - they don't owe me anything.

However, if the EPC drop sticks over time, there's something rather twisted about an algorithm that says "Hey, the traffic on your busy, popular, content-filled site was worth 10x on Thursday (and on all previous days stretching back 9 months) and the exact same traffic is worth x on Friday"

Sunflux

1:05 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...AND considering that I've seen the same advertisers on my site for 6 months now, who have continued to happily pay the old rate month after month.

A system that pays less and performs worse is NOT an improvement.

Edwin

1:30 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, that too - the ads are by and large exactly the same, only "worth" 90% less...

BwanaZulia

1:30 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, it is a little early to call, but today it is back up to normal levels.

I am going to wait a month so I compare month to month. A few days is too little to really see how it will effect the bottom line.

BZ

jabberwookie

1:56 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been averaging 80,000 impressions a day for the past 2 months across a variety of sites. The past two days my earnings per click are down 58%.

I'm extremely disappointed with the new Adsense.

karatekid

2:02 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Yes, that too - the ads are by and large exactly the same, only "worth" 90% less..."

In case anybody thinks Google doesn't use cover stories remember how October payments were held back for weeks because they "didn't anticipate" Thanksgiving.

I do not believe Google scaled back their revenue. My Adwords costs are the same. Notice there are no threads on the Adwords forum about seeing cost reductions. Not one. None.

Google has instead used another lame cover story to this time increase their revenue by taking a larger share of advertiser dollars. Until I see the shouts of joy from ots of advertisers about new rock bottom prices and increased ROI I'll know nothing has happened except a reduction in payout percentage to publishers.

Yidaki

2:09 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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An algo that is not able to differentiate between crap and quality (see google results) is not able to detect the quality of a click based on the content type of a site. Their recent claim (digital camera example) sounds pretty cool but the more i think about it the more i think it's just some pretty lame marketing yadda yadda. Should we all build kelkoo's now? Or another shopping directory? And who needs another review site? Google is after informational sites? Pah! This recent move is - in my eyes - just a way to prepare AS publishers to expect a cut in revenue. Nothing more. One reason why i think so is that the first notification went to the publishers and the second to the advertisers ... ya smell it? First get a nice publisher base to make the webmasters happy, then cut the webmasters payouts to make the advertisers happy and make a nice extra profit too. Sorry, this is MS'ish.

No, i'm not paranoid but i don't trust anybody on the net. Never ever.

Where's the competition? C'mon!

europeforvisitors

2:10 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



It's early days yet, and there's no way to know what the net effect will be a month or two months or six months from now. My own EPC has dropped off today after holding steady yesterday, but that's to be expected since we're still in phase one of the change. (Phase one is when Google introduces variable pricing or discounts; phase two is when the market responds.)

We need to remember that a lower cost per click means less revenue for Google, too, not just for the publisher. It's unlikely that Google would have introduced the variable-pricing scheme unless the company believed that:

1) Variable pricing was necessary to keep content ads viable; and/or...

2) Variable pricing would lead to greater advertiser confidence, more competition for quality clicks, and higher revenues over the long term.

TIP: If you're relying on one source of advertising revenue, you need to look at other opportunities--not just to minimize your risk, but also to maximize your income. There's no reason why AdSense should be a sole source of revenue, even for a content site.

europeforvisitors

2:13 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)



I do not believe Google scaled back their revenue. My Adwords costs are the same. Notice there are no threads on the Adwords forum about seeing cost reductions. Not one. None.

The changes only went into effect about 36 hours ago, so it's a bit early to be making such assumptions. In a week, maybe. But not yet.

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