Update Saga. Part 6

[selomelo]

---

Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]

---

The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

[MikeDammann]

Tigger, don't get dragged into it :)

[zikos]

slowly we are getting to the next C&^%$p update of Google ,Buddha ,Rama ,DalaiLama ,Ammon ,Osiris ,Jahoba ,Mohamed.Time to contact all of us EU citizens our MP's in the EU parliament what the F£$%k is goin on ,April will be the month of .eu domains to come up ,we F£$%^n pay billions of EURO on taxes what about all those sods in Maastricht Utrecht Brussels Strasburg are doing with our tax money ,isn't time to invest our F$%^&n money to buy those scamers papers (GOOG) and get a control over them by planting a F$%^&n EU search engine? EU has the money to buy Google Yahoo and Mr Gates.

[reseller]

MikeDammann

>>Tigger, don't get dragged into it :) <<

Tigger..pls just don't listen to Mike. We really need good people like yourself to joine us in The DCs Watchers Club. And I'm sure you will love it :-)

[edited by: reseller at 12:29 pm (utc) on Nov. 28, 2005]

[zikos]

Reseler .wouldn't be better for you and us if your "Indigo Zorro"Hero was from Aarhus?

[zikos]

Oh to hell with American business.Time to wake up Europeans.We are just a 400000000 loopies driven from some Gangs in Silicon Valey,shame to our history.

[zikos]

"driven from some Gangs in Silicon Valey,shame to our history. "
driven from some cowboys in Silicon Valey.

[colin_h]

Hi StriderUK

I'm affraid yes you are a spammer. If you call it competing on a level playing field, maybe we should all take performance enhancing drugs and run at 50mph in the Olympics ;-)

[StriderUK]

>>I'm affraid yes you are a spammer. If you call it competing on a level playing field, maybe we should all take performance enhancing drugs and run at 50mph in the Olympics ;-) <<

Well, if I am a spammer for using H1 tags around my titles I hold my hands up - guilty as charged!

You are going to be very busy. We are all spammers - even Matt, who, like me uses H1 tags around his titles. Enjoy your holiday... I think you need one! LOL

[Dayo_UK]

Tigger

I am sure that this update is not finished yet - although perhaps it is not fair to still call it an update.

Therefore I am sure that the serps have not fully evolved yet.

When a change happens it does not hit all DCs at the same time - it would probably hit 1 or 2 and then spread accross to the other dcs.

So I watch DCs for change - the change I am looking out for is to do with Canonical/Determing the root page. I am not that intrested at the moment whether I rank for "My Excellent Widgets" - more to do with how Google is reading/treating a site.

Although I really critize Google it does seem clear that they are trying to determine the correct root page of a site by watching the DCs - it is also clear that this is not stable accross the DCs - and they have not correctly identified it for all sites (eg yours and my main site)

However - It can also lead to a lot of wasted time :)

[colin_h]

Keep taking the steroids and telling yourself you're the best in the business ;-)

You're right I do need a holiday

[StriderUK]

Keep taking the steroids and telling yourself you're the best in the business ;-)
You're right I do need a holiday

Great. Enjoy your holiday in 'cloud cuckoo land'.

[tigger]

>However - It can also lead to a lot of wasted time

I'm with you on that, right now I'm working on old sites that are ranking and adding new content, one of the sites hasn't been touched in 4 years that is now ranking for a competitive term, funny its not had any link development work

[colin_h]

<Great. Enjoy your holiday in 'cloud cuckoo land'>

LOL ...

According to the RSPB website on the Cuckoo, it says:

"They are summer visitors and well-known brood parasites, the females laying their eggs in the nests of other birds"

Kind of weird how you went with that bird in particular ... eh?

[soapystar]

>>>can I ask you guys something what does watching the DC's achieve?

it gives something for the DC watchers Watchers to watch!

i.e. theres DC Watchers and then theres a new breed of Watchers who just watch what the Dc Watchers are observing....thus saving them a hell of a lot of time,....

[colin_h]

soapystar, you're probably right. I been watching the dc's for years now and I know even less today than I did when I started. Maybe we should all mind our own business ;-)

[reseller]

soapystar

>>i.e. theres DC Watchers and then theres a new breed of Watchers who just watch what the Dc Watchers are observing....thus saving them a hell of a lot of time,....<<

Pssssssst!

Maybe we (DC watchers) should start charging them (watchers of DC watchers) for our services :-)

[itloc]

You won't believe it - I have started to watch the dc watchers.

To see reseller slowly going nuts is more fun then watching boring dc's :-))))))

itloc

[Yippee]

In reference to MC's blog entry SEO Mistakes... Here is the URL everyone has been dropping and pumping his PR:

[mattcutts.com...]

I don't know about you, but to me that URL is spammy. If we saw that in any of G SERPs we all would be yelling foul! Shouldn't it be what's good for the goose is good for the gander? OR is his site exempt? The G's do no evil philosophy at work.

BTW, notice he uses dashes in his directory names, not underscores ;)

[stateless]

the DC's appeared to roll-back yesterday as far as I can see. Has anyone else noticed that? I'm now getting older listings once again, on ALL Dc's

[King of all Sales]

Mike Dammann

You sound like you are a Google employee. I agree with you 100% - building a website to give the user the best possible experience should be the only goal of a web master.

But judging by the serps I am seeing, it doesn't appear that Google particularly cares about rewarding that type of site. I am seeing sites that are employing sleazy and amateurish tricks of all sorts ranking in the top ten for very competitive keywords.

So to colin_h, every game devised by man has rules. We as web masters are aware of the rules and try to implement them in the most intelligent way we can.

The problem that I see with Google is that they set the rules, then reward those who break them. All I hear is "just wait, Google will find them and punish them," but the opposite appears to be true. This update seems to have brought more of the cheaters to the forefront.

[marketingmagic]

This is a great thread...for me to poop on! :-)

[Pico_Train]

boring...

[JuniorOptimizer]

"To see reseller slowly going nuts is more fun then watching boring dc's :-))))))"

There's nothing slow about it ;)

[reseller]

JuniorOptimizer

>>"To see reseller slowly going nuts is more fun then watching boring dc's :-))))))"

There's nothing slow about it ;)<<

LOL.... :-)

[Gimp]

Google is in the business of selling advertising. The serps are just a tool. Adsense spam does not hurt them unless it kills use of the tool. They will reward some spam. It makes them money.

[asgdrive]

Stateless you are correct!
All DC's appeared to have rolled back to PRE-Jagger yesterday.
We launced a new directory in our site with 10K pages in September that were all indexed in Google as of Nov 1, as of yesterday all pages disapeared, and our other 50K SERPS appear to be back ranking Pre-Jagger.. Oh well it was good while it lasted!

[colin_h]

This is no Flux ... no matter what the Google junkies are telling us. This is a campaign. I'm in marketing and a company the size of Google don't make 'errors' like this without a reason.

Strike out and robot them out ... :-O

[SEOPTI]

G$$gle is still updating.

[soapystar]

isnt that the point?...they are always updating..its a continuous process......

[steveb]

Jagger has been over for a couple weeks. The everflux now is mildly interesting, and has shown why *moderate* DC watching is valuable. If you didn't see the slightly healed data Google introduced three times last week onto different datacenters get swallowed up by the main pool of data, I honestly don't know what you could be thinking about now if you are reading this forum.