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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

Great_Scott

3:20 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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minnapple,

Looks like you are a bit of a novice in high profile forums. Agreed?

BradStevens

3:22 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>What else would we need?<<<

Absolutely stunning! In order for any educated analysis to occur, one must have a baseline of information.

And, if your baseline of information is "well, I was #6, now I'm #10", then gee, your in for a heck of a ride on a train that is on one way trip. Good luck getting back!

I'd rather be armed with a pleathora of information about where I and my competitors started and also where we ended up. Then, I'd like to know why. And, the only way to complete that analysis is to determine the commonalities between the two.

People, in statistical analysis circles, this is simply called finding the "expected value" through choosing "fixed and random effects" of a mixed model.

Now, I'm going to bed. I'll see you guys in another week or so. I'm going to go make some more cash.

Go thee forth and prosper.

Great_Scott

3:26 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<quote> Now, I'm going to bed. I'll see you guys in another week or so. I'm going to go make some more cash.

Go thee forth and prosper. </quote>

BradStevens,

Thanks for your bedtime story. You sound like a poet. This is an search engine optimization forum
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LegalAlien

3:33 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually, none of the benchmark (largest 10 unaffected) sites in our area changed a thing on-site (source code -- gimme a break!). I know this because I analyzed and closely monitored these sites before and during this update, as I expect many have done. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it seems you're not so unique in this area!

I've been in this business for 18 years, but I still can't churn out 50 sites in 2 months, so it seems you get the cherry for that one. Congratulations! ;))

This forum has been full of people telling us how they've been affected throughout this update, as well as steps they have taken, and the subsequent results they have seen. This has provided valuable feedback from many different areas, which would otherwise not be available. For me, at least, this has been most welcome and I thank everyone for taking the time to post here.

To those that can't tolerate the general chit-chat that surrounds these relevant posts, I say find yourselves another forum and be happy!

texasville

3:38 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brad- just let me make this point. I myself have learned a lot in webmaster world forums. One thing I definitely have learned is the guy you make rake today may have the key to all your .htaccess problems tomorrow. So it doesn't pay to criticize or create a bad reputation. Try to be positive.
Remember, some of these guys financially live and die by their websites. They spend a lot of time hashing this stuff because there is great angst during an update. Add positive things and you WILL be appreciated.

texasville

3:40 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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by the way -
hyperbole: a deliberate exaggeration or overstatement

I believe you meant-
hypothesis: a proposal intended to explain certain facts or observations

Gimp

3:49 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brad,

Your comments about setting a baseline and comparing after the changes are made are well taken.

And your comments about paying attention to the store and putting up new content and sites are well taken.

Your attempt to set people back on their feet and start thinking and working instead of working up a panic are well taken.

See you next week.

Gimp

minnapple

3:54 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> minnapple,

Looks like you are a bit of a novice in high profile forums. Agreed? <

You under estimate me . . . sleepy bye ; )

Hanu

5:24 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I love this thread! It's like a one of those tacky soap operas. Let's continue this for a little while and then see what the adults do when they get back from Pubcon. Maybe some silly Google engineer simply forgot to push the button before he left for Vegas. I heard that the flat screen HDTVs at the hotel rooms are really great.

Powdork

5:24 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Great Scott
Looks like you are a bit of a novice in high profile forums. Agreed?
You saw his/hers sign up date,right?

Mr Stevens

Absolutely stunning! In order for any educated analysis to occur, one must have a baseline of information.

And, if your baseline of information is "well, I was #6, now I'm #10", then gee, your in for a heck of a ride on a train that is on one way trip. Good luck getting back!

My point is, that if you know the serps before the update, that is all you need since the other factors would all have been constant.

balam

6:19 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm suspecting that the general "backlash" towards Mr. Stevens will get him so fired up that when he returns in a week, he'll proudly proclaim that he created 4 more MFA sites.

Personally, I look forward to his return; it's about time someone who knew what they were talking about started hanging out here.

;)

reseller

7:25 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks!

In my real life when I meet people that have nothing good to say about anything, I just leave them and pray to almighty God to cure their minds and open their eyes.

BradStevens is such a pesrson, and he really need much of our prayers. God Bless BradStevens soul!

PLease...Lets go back to discuss Jagger update, and that what this thread is all about.

zimba

7:39 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller>>>> Not much to talk about :-( Its basically a case of lets hang around and wait for Jagger to move across all DC's.

MLHmptn

7:46 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Realistically I don't think any of us know what we are talking about! :>

But yes, back to the topic.....

For what I am noticing is that Google is giving more value to the home page, decreasing link value, increasing 2nd and 3rd level page relevancy with links from the root page and more emphasis on a sites age more than ever.

If you already knew this don't flame my a$$...My wife already does it enough! :>~

And for once I am seeing better SERP's than ever. I don't know what everyone else see's but take my opinion like a grain of salt.

This thread needs to address EXACTLY what emphasis Google is placing on sites. Correct me if I'm wrong! :>

Also it appears to me Jag3 is in full swing on every datacenter.

reseller

7:49 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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zimba

>>Reseller>>>> Not much to talk about :-( Its basically a case of lets hang around and wait for Jagger to move across all DC's. <<

You mightbe right ;-)

However, at this stage of Jagger update we might need to ask ourselves; how come that an update which has started for around a month ago hasn't migrated completely to other DCs?

Or is it the case that the "successful" part of update Jagger is already out there fluxing on the rest of the DCs and there will be no more to come and that what we have to live with untill the next update arrives (maybe sometime in Feb. 2006).

[edited by: reseller at 7:51 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]

MLHmptn

7:51 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would actually like to see Brett Tabke's 26 Steps to Jagger3 success! :>~

colin_h

7:55 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



It's not much to report, but I had a really good nights sleep last night ... Something big and good is going to happen today.

colin_h

8:00 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



I've got an update on the railway site issues that I tried to report to the forums on the 10th ... sticky me for details

normasp

8:07 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



nothing today?

>> Something big and good is going to happen today.

I hope..

lee_sufc

8:21 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i am seeing small changes this morning but nothing major. i was hoping i could get up this morning to find the decent reslults i found on google.co.uk yesterday morning.

tigger

8:33 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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having spent the morning reading what MC has said on various forums, it seems like recp links are dead in the water, triangle link exchanges can be tracked & paid directory links offer no value. The only type of link (which IMH is what this update is about) is 100% non-recp link, so if someone sees your site they will link to it because they like it! so how many of us the run e-comm sites or affiliate based sites are going to get that happening! this update is all about G taking control back of the serps and by devaluing links have done this - the next issues for me is how "some" sites have slipped under the net because if you look at the links for can see they are clearly involved with mass link exchanges & buying links in

Am I completely off the mark here?

tigger

8:35 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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one other point a site I own that has been neglected for months with no work/link exchanges/content added is now ranking and prior to Jagger was dead in the water - this update is about links nothing more

CainIV

8:44 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As for me, I'll continue to check in here once a week and read the last page of posts. It is there that I can find all I need to know!

Why would you need or want to? What is it you need to know, seeing as you appear to know enough? Could there actually be information here that might benefit you?

Judging by your statements you have the upperhand in terms of knowledge over what has happened in the G updates as referred by your "you guys" mentality. Remeber Brad, not everyone is great at putting together information an comparing for the purposes of analysis. This being said, it doesnt hurt to ask, or talk, and this is what people are doing - discussing. Some are new at the game, others are veterans.

How many people here printed the source code of the top 30 sites in each keyword of interest before Jagger executed? Because, that's a key "ingredient" of the stew.

Useful, if you feel that a major aspect of this updates is in regards to concentraction, stemming and keyword use and dilution, which any seasoned SEO could tell you it is not.

Obvious major factors stemming from the Google patent -spam factors, www vs non www factors, supps and canon issues as well as link age, link building rate and theming.

Hey but what do I know, maybe you might learn something here?

soapystar

8:46 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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theres so much going on here im not sure how you can say its all about recips. Ive never seen so many different factors evolve in such a short space of time. And dont forget this is sector by sector. What is true for one sector may not be the same for another. We can all see sites built on pure manipulated links still flourishing so i cant agree this is ALL about recips. I do agree that their value and thresholds have been reworked as ONE part of the bundle of new factors and thresholds though.

Incidently when i catch adverts warning benefit frauds that the government is on their tail, or see a sign that a speed trap is in operation on a certain road i know that benefit fraud is rising and the police have no resources to actually deploy a speed trap on that road.

[edited by: soapystar at 8:50 am (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]

CainIV

8:48 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well stated Soapy.

normasp

8:48 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



ok.

but what's about migration of 66.102.9.104 to other data centers?

maybe next year 2015?

tigger

8:58 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>We can all see sites built on pure manipulated links still flourishing so i cant agree this is ALL about recips

thats the frustrating part, I've seen this as well and "some" sites that are within my sectors are flourishing that I know are involved in mass link exchanges - others like myself and many other webmasters here that I've spoken too have just played the old game of link building and are now dropped to the 4th pages

If I sound like I'm rambling & confused its because I am and trying to get a head on what G does & doesn't except regarding linking is a massive pain in the XXX. and please don't say build links naturally and just let people link to you with e-com/affiliate/commercial sites it just doesn't happen

lee_sufc

9:01 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know if this helps, but yesterday, when I, and others, found the results better, I tried a site:mysite.com -www, there were less results than there are today?

Does this indicate that the "good" results yesterday were more up to date? PS - I only implemented a 301 redirect a few days ago...

zikos

9:06 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



"I've created two more websites over the past week"
How?using autogenerated material?
Guys like you are the reasons for those threads and those updates .Since people start using scraps (in a few hours creating 100000 pages)was also Google start the monthly updates.How the "£$%^ is possible in one week someone to create 2 sites ,it takes me 2 weeks to make 2 pages of over 3000 words of original content after all I have to do researches in Libraries ,newspapers magazines.I hope it will come the day that you will find information in All Search Engines and not autogenerated crap.Keep the good job Google.

EasyCall

9:16 am on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So I guess the number one question on a lot of our minds is: Do we dump our link exchange directories or just let them sit? Or do you think it's too early to make that call?
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