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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

tigger

4:15 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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cheers guys - me having a thick day today!

WebPixie

4:17 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know it a bit late, but I agree with you tigger about natural one way links in relation to commerce sites. People very rarely naturally link to commerce sites.

And the site is suppose to be designed for the user. How many people shopping on my site happen to have a related website and will happen to point a link at my site even if they think it's the cat's pajamas?

stateless

4:18 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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64.233.183.99 is also experiencing changes right now. Every so often is returns 66.102.9.104 results. I don't think it will be long until they all return jagger3 results.

newwebster

4:24 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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mightbe followed up by flux

The current j3 still looks incomplete to me. I still see supplemental hijacked content outranking the orignal pr6 page content. In fact what is missing is the long tail searches that come from the content and the keyword(s) combination. Google looks very shallow at this point.

tigger

4:29 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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WebPixie

yep "if" this update is going against the recp links then how in hells name is the guy with his little ecom site supposed to get ahead! write wonderful articles about how great his Kitchen website is and HOPE people link to him

It seems like this will push the little guy out of G and over to MSN & Y which considering how much better there serps is (IMH)I hope the public start making the move as the serps I'm currently looking at are just favouring ebay & amazon

It makes me wonder if this inst G's plan so they move away from displaying the stores & various affiliate sites in favour of the more authority information platforms so turning G into more research platform, bit like the old Northern Rock days and maybe Y & MSN will become the shopping SE's?

King of all Sales

4:33 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of my competitors is on page one for a fairly competitive term (15 Mil) on all DC's. They just recently went from PR5 to PR6 with Google showing 1700+ backlinks.

The interesting thing is that many, if not the majority, of these backlinks come from a link network where you agree to show 5 or 6 dynamically generated links on any one page. The links will change completely every time you refresh the page. So the pages that Google has listed as backlinks for this site no longer contain a link to that site.

When you guys talk about link networks are you referring to static link farms or dynamic links as I just rather poorly described?

BTW, I reported this to Google but so far, nothing has happened.

colin_h

4:36 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



I think that Google realise that the public really like Ebay & Amazon. Google seem to be offering the big names first because it will seem more relevant in the eyes of searchers. It's an obvious move if you value your visitors pleasure over that of the websites that you list.

taps

4:40 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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oops - did anyone check matt's blog recently. Seems to be broken.

What a day. Another source of information down. Googleguy is missing somewhere. Matt is at Pubcon AND offline. Where is somebody who can tell us anything.

annej

4:42 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My sites don't seem to have been hurt by reciprocal links. People here have wondered why some sites haven't been hit by a penalty on this and I have some theories abut why.

1) The recips have dribbled in over 2 or 3 years.

2) I have a great number of one way links to sites/pages that give added information to people in my field.

Many are imbedded in articles or listed at the end of related articles.

I have a directory of hand picked, non recip, links to excellent sites in my field.
(BTW, this directory ranks ahead of dmoz and Yahoo for the phrase, "widget history directory")

3) There are a number of one way inbound links to my sites.

4) There is no consistency in anchor text as people who have linked to me have just set the links up however they please.

5) All recip linking is to and from related sites.

6) The site is basically content with multiple articles on the topic.

webdude

4:44 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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annej

I am with you on this. I have several with recips and have seen very little movement with this update.

garyr_h

5:06 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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72.14.207.104 seems to be a lot different from other DCs now. I hope thats not the true one either. Very spammy results.

As for the recip links, with this update it seems that recips are infact graded higher. There's a network (which doesn't even hide that fact, says so in the footer of each page) with around 15 sites which spread out across my genre and its hitting #1 on the above DC and #2-3 on other 'updated' DCs.

Jane_Doe

5:07 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have several with recips and have seen very little movement with this update.

I have recips on all my sites and had also saw very few changes with this update.

tigger

5:14 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>I think that Google realise that the public really like Ebay & Amazon. Google seem to be offering the big names first because it will seem more relevant in the eyes of searchers

trust me the searches I've done displaying those sites are 100% non-relevant in fact on the same result is even a well known British Airways!

RS_200_gto

5:17 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



Results 1 - 10 of about 1,560,000 to 2,170,000 in page difference for us in the SERP's depending on which jagger and what time the roll out is going to start.

Traffic up and down throughout the day

Pico_Train

5:17 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yup Yup, same old same old.

I'm repeating everything twice, repeating everything twice.

This can't be the end of this update, no freaking way.

Have you notice the little Google account thingy at your top right. Login somewhere, then logout, then try a search and you are still logged in.

Log this, log that, log out, log in, we are logging you.

Welcome to the data gathering arm of Google.

Oh, and by the way, Google Analytics is free.

No we won't use your logs, logging in, search logs, gmail...

Hmmm, I am started to get worried here.

linkjack

5:19 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



Well I've concluded what Jagger is all about.

The next big thing now is high order clusterlinking.

Here's how it works: place a triangulated link to a source of hub-like eigen-lucas blogged info, something RSS-style but with less structured info and more clustered pseudo-random mined sites.

From this nod, call it hybrid-SPTT which is what it's being called internally at most search shops. From a high probability URL sort most probable outcome links, when you look up on the list you'll see higher-nods, which when you look down you'll see lower-nods.

A higher-nod minus a lower-nod at same symetric position will provide you with the "spread" between those 2 nods. This spread measurement will provide the index to the next hyper dutchey value array containing just the precise link you should place to a certain topic.

Consider it something like hilltop meets jimi hendrix on steroids over the watchtower.

I hope this helps "reseller" and others who have so far contributed so much very important stuffing to our vast collective knowledge of google.

Pico_Train

5:21 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting.

One more thing.

Say you write a site on something that will never change...barring any cataclysmic events. (cataclysmic, spelling?).

Then you rank in the top 10.

given that this article is on something that never changes, and you get more links, higher PR, make slight tweaks to improve it, how does that page go to 70th position?

It can only go by date published, spam or PR.

Suck on that.

Pico_Train

5:24 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I forgot to add that the bank is going to repossess my truck and my house.

Send your donations to:

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Pico_Train

5:25 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I still use Google to search though. I like them.

If I wasn't bald, I'd pull my hair out.

coco

5:44 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone notice for some searches - there're more results returned when you add a qualifier?

E.g. 'widget service UK' returns more pages than 'widget service'

Seems like a semantic filter for links or something.

Any ideas?

zikos

5:51 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



perhaps reseler can do his dance? if that can make GG to make a statment of what's goin on :D

zikos

5:55 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



Life needs funsometimes ,after all is not the end of the world and who knows maybe "this day next year we will be all millioners" like Delboy use to say.

like2golf

6:05 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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J3 now on 32 DC's

Spreading fast over the last hour.

The 64.* group is really the only one left, and I see the first being converted right now...

soapystar

6:08 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Googleguy is missing somewhere. Matt is at Pubcon AND offline

matt=googleguy

tigger

6:13 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LOL good try but I don't think so and I'm sure Brett has addressed that before

zikos

6:17 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)



"J3 now on 32 DC's "
confirmed!
as I said earlier today Google's Pink Panther strikes on Fridays.

Hanu

6:46 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here's how it works: place a triangulated link to a source of hub-like eigen-lucas blogged info, something RSS-style but with less structured info and more clustered pseudo-random mined sites.

From this nod, call it hybrid-SPTT which is what it's being called internally at most search shops. From a high probability URL sort most probable outcome links, when you look up on the list you'll see higher-nods, which when you look down you'll see lower-nods.

A higher-nod minus a lower-nod at same symetric position will provide you with the "spread" between those 2 nods. This spread measurement will provide the index to the next hyper dutchey value array containing just the precise link you should place to a certain topic.

Consider it something like hilltop meets jimi hendrix on steroids over the watchtower.

What are you on this morning, linkjack? Get me some of that stuff ASAP. 8-^

Hanu

6:49 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"J3 now on 32 DC's "
confirmed!
as I said earlier today Google's Pink Panther strikes on Fridays.

Seeing it, too, just now. Finally #1 for hl=de and #2 for hl=en! Looking forward to some serious traffic next week.

like2golf

7:02 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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J3 now on 32 DC's

Some have retreated, but still some movement.

Looking forward to some serious traffic next week

I agree. I think by next week Monday, a majority of DC's will be at J3. I've already seen an increase.

TammyJo

7:14 pm on Nov 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What J3?

I am still at a loss as to which information people are referring to when they say it. J3 as of when?

The one that is being rolled out now is the same one that was on the serps a week ago. Then Google "rolled out" another J3 again a few days ago...totally different results and said "They are rolling out J3." Now main DC's are changing again and we are saying, "j3 is showing on most data centers.

I'm not sure it's fair to say that this is even J3 anymore. What do you think.....maybe we should just start new threads about changes. Maybe j3 is the constant changing of searches to keep it interesting and to keep us on our toes...WATCHING. What a better way to rivet an audience than to constantly be changing their status.

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