Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Over and done with?
All done all through?
I then saw in a site:domain.com search that other domain suddenly was there and had a cache of my frontpage, that was 302 links, meta refreash 0sec and some real hijackers. one of the 302 links even had a dissallow for google to spider.
So now Im 100% sure the site is filtered because of dublicated content and still is because of all those old caches around and maybe scrapers that copy a to large part of the site.
We can all see sites built on pure manipulated links still flourishing
This update is all about 100% non-reciprocal links
Conclusion: In order to beat the undeserving sites that are flourishing on pure manipulated links, I must create webpages on freehosts that feature non-reciprocal links to my network of sites. In other words, I must crate pure manipulated links. Fight fire with fire.
If it weren't for the need for non-reciprocal links, I wouldn't choose to display the content on freehosts. But since non-reciprocal links are important, I do.
I just did a search on Google -ping 72.14.207.99 which it defaulted to - and am now seeing the exact same type of behavior. Getting 2 to 12 results and the this keeps changing with each refresh. Somtimes 2 results, sometimes 12. The rest of the 3,130,000 pages are listed as supplimental. Could things be on the move again? It is very strange behavior that I have had a few of you guys check out in the past. Looks to be things are moving again, at least for what I keep taps on...
Results 1 - 12 of about 3,130,000....In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 12 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.
Whatever happened to ole BradStevens? This guy seems to be a day late and a dollar short... Where was this wiz kid on 9/22? He had hope for saving the world from G's death gripping hands.
Gosh, and here I thought all the analysis that took place in here since then amongst the smartest webmasters in the world actually meant something. I should have listened to Brad and not "YOU PEOPLE". Come back Brad, Brad, come back... I will never let go man, I promise.
So far I've tried 301ing anything onsite that could be seen as duplicate (www. -> non www., /index.php -> / .. switch to absolute urls etc) and thought that on some datacenters Jagger 3 had helped a bit. Then it just seemed to pause after a few pages finally getting out of supplemental (not ranking for even the most obscure terms though). Still my main page is url only (and with www's despite a 301 in place to non www)
Finally yesterday I tried G. sitemaps, (too early to tell if it will make any difference at all) in the hopes it might give me a glimpse of what it's crawling / indexing problems might be. As well as attempting to block any scrappers I've seen in my logs.
Has anyone succesfully got out of this problem? What do you feel worked, or any advice at all.
Kinda spooky! One of my more obscure keyword phrases is indexed at position 63 on most DC's, but on the one you quote, it's at 23!
ALL of it. That gets you the big picture ... not just a microcasm of our small little worlds
The big picture is billions and billions of pages in billions of mutations ..
I'll get back to you once the universe has imploded again or they found something better than superstring beta mesons.. or whatever..
Google spamfree will be at a wormhole near you... :D
The only Mozilla Googlebot crawl that really hit the index too.
So many supplementals hanging around from that time.
Webdude
I guess that DC will become Jagger3 soon then?
Are reciprocal links dead? I don't think so. Has Google devalued recips? Not exactly. IMO, of course!
I don't want to repeat my other posts, so if you skip back a few pages you'll find details about our site, changes I made and our recovery pattern, if this is of interest to you.
Of about 350 external links on our site, roughly 250 are reciprocated. Our previous page 1 phrases are now on the 3rd page, despite having recovered all our pre-update PR share (there was a PR update just prior to Jagger, which devalued many pages linking to us). However, we are now ranking on the 1st page for previous 3rd and 4th page phrases. All the phrases I monitor are competitive - above 50 million results.
Previously, our strongest serps were from phrases that appeared at the very beginning of our link anchor text. Now I am seeing high serps for phrases that appear deeper in the anchor text, or that are combined from words separated in the anchor text.
This actually makes total sense as far as Google is concerned, as I see pages and pages of key phrase-only links in recip directories and resource pages. This approach would effectively wipe out the majority of ranking results from all these outsourced 5 minute SEO campaigns, while still giving weight to natural, descriptive links.
I will now request changes to some of our recip links to move our key phrases deeper into the anchor text, and to split the words up. This will probably take a few days, but I will post back here with the results.
If this is true, then this is good news for recips on Google; although this is bad news for Yahoo!/MSN.
<edit>fixed a typo (50 million results)
[edited by: LegalAlien at 2:57 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]
BTW that keyword group has moved to position 7 on that DC!
One thing that could maybe lift your mood is that next year microsoft VISTA comes with desktop search directly to MSN, that will realy hurt google, that way you get more hits again just from MSN.
So, is recip links dead? I don't even think G has the bandwidth to entertain that though. I think they just see them as links to pages and nothing more (as they always have done)...
[edited by: Yippee at 3:24 pm (utc) on Nov. 18, 2005]
Within the sector I'm watching, I mightbe seeing Jagger3 migrating to other DCs. Still see few sets of serps through out the DCs.
What are you seeing within your sectors at the moment?
LA.
I don't want to pull every word apart that MC says but from the coffee session he said "Best links are earned, not sold or traded" no does that mean they are dead I don't know but it does imply non-recp links are the only ones worth getting?
No how you can expect Joe blogs with his little affiliate site to do this is another thing considering according to various things I've read that G can easily track down 3 way exchanges
Matt did state that the 66.102.9.104 results will "migrate to other data centers over time" , so maybe that's what's taking place.
>>The 66.102.9.104 results are now at 20 datacentres. Do you expect these to become the 'actual' google.com results? Is this increase in terms of datacentre numbers with these listings, or do people expect further change?<<
Jagger3 shall migrate to most/all the DCs, mightbe followed up by flux. Yes at a time your default google.com (a DC) shall show Jagger3 too.
helleborine & taps!
Thanks for feedback ;-)
My default DC has changed 3 times in the last 30 mins, which seems unusual?...any comment on that?
It was 64.233.187.99
Next 64.233.187.104
Finally 72.14.203.104
I do not see flux at the moment. Parts of my site, vanished Sep. 22nd, are coming back. Hoping for some more flux so see serps as they used to be back then in the sunny, warm and monetized summer.
A friend of mine's site made it back into the serps today. His results were URL only during the last two weeks.
sorry what do you mean Taps?
