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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

Miop

11:36 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<So has anyone done anything yet?>

Changed some titles (removed strapline and too much identical wording), fixed www/non-www issue, tried to re-arrange menus to make page content more unique, but my issue at the moment is with the / page and index.php, which Google thinks are different now (never used to). I've redirected the index.php page to the home page with a 301, and that has been spidered - just waiting to see what effect if any it will have.
Other pages are ranking much better now - just the home page which seems to be having a problem, but given that it has reverted to the DMOZ entry description (which is rubbish and doesn't even contain my mmajor kw) I'm not surprised.

taps

12:35 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo: Still this sounds weird. If Gbot is receiving a 200OK with zero data it will IMHO index an empty page.

Maybe I'm paying too much attention to inanormalities (hope this word exists) but there seems something going wrong.

reseller

1:00 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

I see the Jagger3 4 Dcs have been stable for some time now. Don't know what the folks at the plex are waiting for!

66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104

66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104

Nick0r

1:05 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For pubcon to end, maybe? ;)

zimba

1:06 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what is pubcon?

McMohan

1:14 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"what is pubcon?"

[pubcon.com...]

reseller

1:17 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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McMohan

Forgot to ask. How are you doing on J3?

leeds1

1:19 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've seen some small changes on

66.102.9.104

my #1 site going to #2 and #5 going to #1

a .gov site surprisingly enough..

tigger

1:26 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>tried to re-arrange menus to make page content more unique

Miop

yep thats another little experiment I'm doing, although it does seem crazy to try and change the basic nav around on every page

Eazygoin

2:06 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Take a look at Matt Cutts blog on Google Analytics...it looks great! - www.mattcutts.com/blog - oh, and it's FREE!

webdude

2:20 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

I am seeing the same with site: order is different today.

[edited by: webdude at 2:20 pm (utc) on Nov. 15, 2005]

Mountdoom

2:20 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Likewise, trying a few tweaks here and there. Reducing similarity score for certain pages, removing strap line in title, more content, reduced keyword density. Haven't seen any miracles, but it beats waiting for Google and at the end of the day makes for a better site (which is what it's all about isn't it?). Yahoo and MSN are yet to pick up on the updates, so I don't know yet the result here. What fun!

I seriously think Google haven't rolled with J3 yet because they're not happy with the result - especially with keyword + town phrases (as Arnarn mentioned msg 714). I'm seeing our results all over the place - some keywords are top 5, others are nowhere. Home page appeared and then disappeared. I would expect results at least to be generally consistent (whether good, bad or average, but consistent!). Flux! some might shout, but my hunch is they're still tweaking.

Dayo_UK

2:22 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



>>>>I am seeing the same with site: order is different today.

And wrong? That site ordering gave me some comfort that Google could work out the homepage of a site. Now it just shows how far away they obviously have been for my site.

J3 is supposed to be the new Base Index according to GG - so it is important they get it right I guess.

Eazygoin

3:03 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My PR indicator on Google toolbar is jumping all over the place, for the same page, when i refresh. Maybe a Toolbar PR update is imminent!

donelson

3:18 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My ClickThruRate has gone way down on all four of our websties, comparing mid-Sept to mid-Oct, with mid-Oct to mid-Nov. This is not the number of click-thrus, but the percentage CTR that's gone down.

Are Google pushing poorer ads now? Or is it just me? Something to do with the Jagger updates?

Anyone else notice a drop in CTR?

King of all Sales

3:37 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Donelson -

We have an Adwords account with thousands of keywords spread accross 9 campaigns. Our CTR this month is slightly higher than last month but the interesting thing is that the number of impressions (for those not familiar with Adwords, the total number of page views for those keywords) is flat compared to last month. Impressions on Overture are up this month over last as would be expected in our segment for this time of the year.

driwashsolutions

3:39 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For pubcon to end, maybe? ;)

or for it to begin. The keynote speaker gives his address at 9:00am PST - that's in roughly 2 hours, 20 minutes from now...

Wonder if we'll see any movement in the DC's then!

dfre

3:39 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>>I am seeing the same with site: order is different today.
And wrong? That site ordering gave me some comfort that Google could work out the homepage of a site. Now it just shows how far away they obviously have been for my site.

How can the order of site: results tell you anything?

Didn't GG say this was more or less random and not to read anything into the order of those results?

Dayo_UK

3:44 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



dfre

Hmmmz - yes that was a bit strange. MC said they were random and then afterwards GG said that "Although it's fair feedback to ask us to sort site: by something more useful than random.."

Anyway - it was clear (and still is for some sites) that there is an ordering process (to some degree) on the Jagger3 dcs when doing a site:domain.com search.

dfre

3:51 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyway - it was clear (and still is for some sites) that there is an ordering process (to some degree) on the Jagger3 dcs when doing a site:domain.com search.

Yea..I recall it was ordered correctly for my site at some point during Jagger on some servers. I just took that to mean, that yes google knows the order of importance or structure, but they aren't displaying it because it may give more information to seo than google would like. (similar to what they do with link: to make it somewhat useless)

Dayo_UK

3:53 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



Yes, but for most sites (well ones that are problem free) it is still there:-

[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.9.104...]

dfre

4:00 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes, but for most sites (well ones that are problem free) it is still there:-

I see your point.

lxenterprise

4:07 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am new, I see a googlebot crawled my site this morning but I go to the google caches of my site and only one is renewed as of today. Will this show up later? Also my PR on my outside pages went up but my homepage did not is that usual?

Thanks for helping a newbie

reseller

4:14 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

Why there are still few url only pages?

[66.102.9.104...]

Thanks!

Dayo_UK

4:17 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



Because Google never ever seems to give up (well rarely) on a url - they have been there for ages - dont seem to harm Webmasterworld rankings.

If WebmasterWorld homepage got indexed under the non-www again - that might be a different situation.

reseller

4:21 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

I see. Thanks.

Dayo_UK

4:24 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



This is the one worth watching Reseller:-

[66.102.9.104...]

Unless a fix is done then rankings should slide, Googlebot should visit less and pages go supplemental eventually. Although the site has a lot of links to the /blog page so I wonder if it might survive. Still getting crawled OK at the moment it seems by looking at the fresh dates.

reseller

4:30 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK

>>Unless a fix is done then rankings should slide and pages go supplemental. Although the site has a lot of likes to the /blog page so I wonder if it might survive.<<

I understood from Matt that he doesn't intend to do a 301 redirect at present. He just want to wait and see.

Well Inigo can afford to do some test with his blog, I guess :-)

Dayo_UK

4:33 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)



Yes, but it is not a great example of the problem - his blog probably has high pr on the non-www homepage and a lot of links go to /blog - so the fall may not be as dramatic.

It will therefore get sweeped under the carpet. :) IMO ;)

BillyS

5:54 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Jagger has become a great example of the downside of making an update "public." To me, Yahoo's approach is much better - letting us know (at the last minute) that an update will be visible the following day.

J3 has been sitting on that DC for nearly two weeks and it has not spread. Clearly there is something Google does not like about those results or they would have let them loose. Matt mentioned they would spread early this week - well that has not happened.

Ignorance is bliss. Jagger - from an update process standpoint - is a fiasco and a disservice to the webmaster community.

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