Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[2by4]

see how the graphs dip at the same time as hurrican rita.... [cnn.com]. All the graphs. Contrary to what some believe, things outside of the web actually exist and influence things. Reminds me of the guy who posted about why traffic was down during hurricane katrina

[linkjack]

You know, that seems to be an important point.

Nobody seems to look for news during hurricanes so it's just normal that traffic on such portals should drop during tough times.

[theBear]

Couldn't prove it by abc,nbc,cbs, or msnbc

[Ankhenaton]

Couldn't prove it by abc,nbc,cbs, or msnbc

I would assume people would revert in intense crisis to news channels they trust more and that are primary sources and not secondary.

Heard it on Yahoo or BBC, BBC would still be more credible. Maybe I am getting old :¦ ;)

[theBear]

You would then be surprised about the lack of said massive drop on Yahoo for the August 29 event in New Orleans call Katrina, yes ¦ no?

[2by4]

No, I wouldn't be. Because of katrina, and the devastation, when rita came, there were massive evacuations, big chunk of texas evacuated. Plus I think the evacuation area was much wider than with katrina if I remember right. Plus Texas is just a big place, big cities, more key to economy than NO, which is pretty poor overall. I don't want to stereotype our friends in Miss and LA, but... those are't places I think of when I think tech / web centers. And Atlanta didn't evacuate.

The dip was very clear, exactly on rita, dip on msn, yahoo, and google.

Usually this stuff is really hard to get figured out, that wasn't one of the things though, if this was jagger related then why would all 3 search engines dip at the same time, september 21 ish? Recall that Rita was cat 5 before it landed. People left, they'd just seen what happened when people didn't leave.

And as you note, the news sites didn't dip, which I'd also expect, since more people are logging in for news, so the regional absence + more other views equals no real change.

[Ankhenaton]

You would then be surprised about the lack of said massive drop on Yahoo for the August 29 event in New Orleans call Katrina, yes ¦ no?

You are not expecting me to actually look at the data before throwing out a hypothesis..? :\ ;)

[Ankhenaton]

And as you note, the news sites didn't dip, which I'd also expect, since more people are logging in for news, so the regional absence + more other views equals no real change.

Exactly you have to offset the people who couldn't look at any news channels vs the ones that were extra viewers in other regions. :)

[reseller]

Good morning Folks

Back to Update Jagger :-)

I see that Jagger3 hasn't left the same 4 DCs untill now. It was supposed to migrate to the other DCs this week.

66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104

66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104

Any of you have noticed something else?

[followgreg]

Nope Buddy no change at all.

Any clue what they are waiting for? Still testing, reviewing spam reports.

One thing new though - Googlebot seems to eat up Javascripts!

Not sure what it means but we might be onto surprises soon.

Well, actually it's not the first time it was reported but for some reason it seems to target .js on specific crawls.

[reseller]

Good morning GoogleGuy and Matt

Whould any of you be kind to inform us whether we should still expect Jagger3 to migrate to some other DCs within this week?

And should we expect more flux to come?

Thanks a bunch.

P.S. And to you Matt! have a nice trip to Vegas today :-)

[zimba]

Hi reseller, I think over the next 48hours. Results seem stable now so im sure will start moving through soon. Hold onto your seats, spacecraft is in launch position. Count down will resume shortly.... . Please fasten your seatbelts and we would like to remind travellers that no smoking is permitted on this flight.

Is there anyway Matts trip could coincide with the launch perhaps? would be good timing I would think. Pity Im thousands of miles away in Africa, would really enjoy a chat.

[tigger]

I would just like to see this all come to an end so hopefully we can start doing some serious research on what makes this algo tick. Then the ones that have lost out on this can start trying to fixing the problems and maybe start recovering some of the lost traffic, so far any real research seems a little pointless & extremely frustrating

[normasp]

Good moorning reseller and everybody!
Another day more and Dcs are like always..
I'm so boring..

[zimba]

the calm before the storm.......

[zikos]

"Any clue what they are waiting for? Still testing, reviewing spam reports. "
Answer:
reviewing spam reports.

[zikos]

2:waiting for fresh data

[Dayo_UK]

Yes,

Well strange going on:-

1. The Fresh and Cache dates are screwy.
2. Cache has disappeared for some pages.
3. Anyone else seeing Googlebot visit, get a 200 request but no data being transferred?
4. The ordering that was on the two Jagger3 DCs has gone astray again for a lot of sites.

GG, you said you would send requests out for Canonlization reports sometime - wanting these yet?

Looks like they are busy tweaking to me.

[Monkscuba]

Busy tweaking webmasters noses..

[sem4u]

Rankings seem much more stable today although that is not all good!

[2by4]

normasp: "I'm so boring.. "

I think you mean, I'm so bored. "I'm so boring" means that you are a boring person. Following these updates, you are right, I am incredibly bored with them, it's a new record of boredom for me, never before has anything bored me this much with web work.

[normasp]

>>I think you mean, I'm so bored. "I'm so boring" means that you are a boring person. Following these updates, you are right, I am incredibly bored with them, it's a new record of boredom for me, never before has anything bored me this much with web work.

Me and my english.. hahaha
Thanks for your correction.. I think that I'm not boring..

[followgreg]

Seems like everyone is a little tired, 2 months without sleeping is tough! :)

[tigger]

I agree with you on that Greg, its been a very hard few months.

So has anyone done anything yet?

I've removed some text that "could" have triggered a dupe penalty problem (unfortunately I had a small disclaimer on the bottom of every page) PRATT!

set up a 301 for non-www

and so far thats it as I don't want to make too many changes until I see the results from what I've done so far

[taps]

Dayo

Your result code 200 with no data sounds a bit alarming for me. I had that once before. And it was a bug in my software.

I'd doublecheck my code and configuration for something that avoids data being sent to Googlebot.

[zikos]

looks like "no news from the wesr Front"
we all waiting in the trenches near Somme river between no man's land and the Enemy.
[bbc.co.uk...]

[Dayo_UK]

taps

Cant see anything that would stop Googlebot crawling - nothing in robots.txt

Where did you find the problem for your site.

The page in question where G is not getting any data but recieving a 200 has not changed at all since the last Gbot visit - but then it should shows as a 304.

Also it does not happen everytime G requests the same page.

[taps]

Dayo

I don't remember the exact reason. But I think it was some light cloaking issue.

I have some code that prevents creating a session as soon as a bot is identified. Thus no Session-ID will be created - and we all know what Google will do as soon as it receives Session IDs attached to URLs.

After implementing some more session data the bug simply sent an empty page when identifing a bot.

By monitoring my log after applying the new code I found that problem relatively quickly and fixed it.

[Dayo_UK]

Nope - nothing funny like that going on.

Gbot does visit the page daily so I will make a change to the page and see what happens tomorrow.

It just looks like a 200 is being returned instead of a 304.

[petehall]

I'm amazed it hasn't rolled out yet.

Oh well... the fun continues!