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Update Dominic - Part 5

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5:20 pm on May 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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dvduval:
Indeed I am missing a PR7 backlink!

I checked also with the same result. I'm starting to breath easier (but that could also be the coffee wearing off!)

Worth noting: It is highly unlikely Google will reduce the size of its index. Otherwise they'll get hit with a barage of those "enlargement" emails (if you know what I mean), and that would be embarrassing!
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<Surely, their clients are breaking out in a cold sweat and screaming bloody murder. >

Right, except for the really clever SEO's who wisely told their clients that relying on a single monthly update can be like building near the fault line...

As many have said, much of this art/science comes down to building great sites and doing your best to stay aware of SEO, so you don't shoot yourself in the foot while you're building those great sites.

But despite all best efforts, there will be fluctuation. Has the Web ever NOT fluctuated? That's part of why I love it. Come to think of it, maybe that's the problem with my relationships...

P.S. rgfdxm1...Mudville? Ouch. Sorry about your fate in this go round. Let's all work hard over next week to sort out what's up with the new algo - rgfdxm1 needs something to look forward to!

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--[qoute]How is all this affecting SEOs that are paid for delivering results? Surely, their clients are breaking out in a cold sweat and screaming bloody murder.[/qoute] --

Why would they be breaking out in a cold sweat? They don't even know what the SJ server is and since the results are not being fed to www, how would they know?

The dance is not over, as a matter fact I don't think it's even begun.

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Step away from computer. I can't believe how big these threads are getting. Wait till it goes to the main and go from there, there's no point to all of this. This update is rolling out like no other so the best thing to do is go work on your site and wait till the updates rolls to the main and settle. I've been to a few other forums today and they're all talking about how crazy you people are.
2:05 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"they're all talking about how crazy you people are"

HOW FUNNY!

Post a link Cindy

2:08 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Under no circumstance will I visit Google or Webmasterworld today. "

Krapulator....you're supposed to be gone!

2:15 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know. I think I have a problem :(
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"I know. I think I have a problem :("

Thank you Krapulator!

Hi everyone,

I am Swampy Webber and I am a WebmasterWorldAholic

Well, Krapulator and I have taken the first steps to a cure. :) anyone else?

2:26 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Are you crazy if you know that you're acting crazily? I don't think so!

Oooooh, you're right. Time for a martooni anyway...

2:27 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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cindysunc:

"TRUE! nervous, very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why WILL you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses, not destroyed, not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How then am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily, how calmly, I can tell you the whole story."

-Edgar Allen Poe, "The Tell-Tale Heart"

Just because I repeatedly check to see if on a specific Google server my site has risen from the abyss of the middle of page 2 back up to #4 on page one for the most important SERP you call me crazy? That I keep checking to see using the allinanchor: command if Google is now counting the anchor text in the backlinks for this site you think me insane? HA! I tell you that I am of sound mind. How can you question my mental health? Is it not clear that I am in full possession of my mental faculties? Surely GoogleGuy will find that anchor text. I know he will. He MUST!

;)

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I bet Google have this thread up on a large projection screen in the lunch area at the Googleplex refreshing every two minutes so everyone can giggle at us while they eat.
2:37 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I may well be off base here - so please feel free to shoot me down in flames.

Google has a large number of data centers a few large pipes and more than a couple maxtor 4 gb hard drives.

Given the above fact GoogleGuy is telling us that they are starting the dance, moving data, applying different filters etc.

Now what I find hard to understand is why they are "playing" with filters, algos etc in, what is in effect, a production environment? If I tried this I would end up with an odd number of testicles.

Also is it just my imagination but if this is a dance is it taking longer to filter thru the datacenters?

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>> The dance is not over, as a matter fact I don't think it's even begun. <<

I hope you're right.

2:47 am on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Now what I find hard to understand is why they are "playing" with filters, algos etc in, what is in effect, a production environment? If I tried this I would end up with an odd number of testicles.

>Also is it just my imagination but if this is a dance is it taking longer to filter thru the datacenters?

Yes, this is taking longer to filter through the datacenters than usual. Perhaps Google has realized how horrible this index is, and this is why they aren't letting it onto www. www-sj and www-fi really aren't production servers. Considering that I've never seen more complaining about a new index at Webmasterworld than with this one, even the Google crew may have realized that this index is not ready for prime time.

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rfgdxm1 - Yes I should have backed up my comment and said that the new idexes at -sj & -fi "could" be getting to be "production" sites - I had assumed, and I could well be wrong about this, is that they did some sort of load balance between the data centers.
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How is all this affecting SEOs that are paid for delivering results? Surely, their clients are breaking out in a cold sweat and screaming bloody murder.

I'm doing great. The one SEO client I have I told not to expect much from this update. They are still at #3 for one important phrase (Was $6/click on Overture for them) and the most important phrase went from #34 to #13 as things stand now. They were actually higher at #11 when the SJ revelation first hit. <shrug>

And the majority of the new links were picked up after last deep crawl, so I anticipate better results next month.

AW

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If I tried this I would end up with an odd number of testicles.

Zero is an even number. ;)

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On the other hand, zero is an odd number of testicles for a guy to have.
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"Was $6/click on Overture for them"

Do people seriously pay this much in PPC?

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>>On the other hand, zero is an odd number of testicles for a guy to have.

It worked for Funny Cide last Saturday! ;-P

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Is the main index (www) updated yet? I've noticed that amount of backlinks show a decrease in the new google indexes (ww2 & ww3) when this is clearly not the case in reality. I've worked night and day to improve my link popularity, and to see it drop, is very depressing.

So how long till I see the new updates on the link popularity on WWW?

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Jokaroo,

This is my question too.

When I check the backlinks to my site they are from earlier this year or even late last year. They have got links to a couple of sites I stopped advertising with plus none of my recent link additions are there.

I really hope they get the links updated because my site (like many others) by the sound of it has lost ground on all its main keywords.

Don't roll this one out yet Google, get those links updated.....Please!

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>>Is the main index (www) updated yet? <<

I'm seeing all my stuff updated on www.

My backlinks went from 150 to 158 - should have gone over 2,000 :(

All my pages have current content in the cache.

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Hi Guys and Girls,

I must admit the number of different threads re the update and the number of posts in them has really reduced my enthusiasm to read them as i'm really busy. Can someone tell me if i'm on the right track re a summary of whats happening:

This is one of the most radical google updates.

Lots and lots of people who are proven long term SEO'ers and have proven sites in google have found there rankings for main keywords have dropped dramatically or dissapeared alltogether and/or have been replaced at a much lower ranking with an internal page rather than there normal page.

It's not yet time to panick if your in this boat?

Is this an accurate assesment?

My home page had dropped from page 4 on main keyword to knowhere.....has been replaced with an internal page on page 16. Showing the same results on sj and fi. Is there hope or should i panick?

Thnaks in advance for your help.

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Lots and lots of people who are proven long term SEO'ers and have proven sites in google...

If you're in the above category - don't panic. Google will be working to ensure that the index favours people like you.

If you're a spammer or use other dodgy methods or feel you may be just on the wrong side of the line of SEO (where it borders being naughty), then panic.

TJ

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I'm in the same boat as you, but that's my understanding as well
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Same boat. Pass me a life jacket....
12:58 pm on May 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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LOL... just keep swimming I'm sure it will work out ok (I Hope, did that sound good)
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Do people seriously pay this much in PPC?

Heck yeah. I recently played with adwords and my $10 bid did not get me in the top 10. I think I've read where people spend over 50K/ year on PPC. As long as the ROI is there it's a good plan.

The great thing aboout PPC is that there is no sweating over the montly update and results are almost immediate. There's no tweaking and crossong your fingers for the next two months to see if your tweak worked. If your tweak failed your hosed for another update.

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Buckley, page 16 is not much different than page 4 as far as traffic is concerned so I would not be panicking. Some would be panicked over the page 4 listing.
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Oooooh, you're right. Time for a martooni anyway...

Is that like sipping a martini while watching cartoons?

Sounds like fun!

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