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Indeed I am missing a PR7 backlink!
Worth noting: It is highly unlikely Google will reduce the size of its index. Otherwise they'll get hit with a barage of those "enlargement" emails (if you know what I mean), and that would be embarrassing!
Seems to be some kind of balance or intermediary point thing going on. Perhaps all the non relevant links have been even more discounted now and Google is only counting the best % of the links we have.
What percentage drop has everyone gone down by out of interest.
My links went from 130 ---> 3 so mine dropped by 96.1%
joined:Mar 6, 2003
Got it... in that case, we see what you see ... -sj and -fi updated, no evidence of any others
<yes my impression is too sj gets cleaned a bit (not effectively though) ... fi has less results in numbers but seems to have new data, try May 5, 2003 ...must be testing...read a short while ago if the algorithm was ok, the data would be no problem? >
Yes definitely newer data on -fi, but more sloppy and spammy results. Let's hope the algo is closer on -sj ...
Truth is, until G updates -sj with all the filters, it's probably a waste of time to speculate on quality of results. Hope all the pain we're going thru is at least helpful to mama G!
GoogleGuy: I'm expecting SJ results to show up at other data centers, then gradually over time we're going to pull in newer spam filters, backlinks, etc.
Critter: Is all the data from the last deepcrawl in -sj?
GoogleGuy: Um, I doubt it's all in there right now, Critter. I would expect more pages to be pulled in over time.
Dolemite: I'm taking it to mean that newer backlinks will eventually be factored in, so SERPs will change
GoogleGuy: You bet. Dolemite, I think there are still backlinks to be truly added in over time. My hunch is that as that happens, SERPs will change as a result.
albert: Is it possible to give us some rough time line?
GoogleGuy: albert, I just can't to commit to any future dates. If you think about the sheer magnitude of data to be processed, that's a lot of data--easily several terabytes. That's not the sort of thing you process in a day or two. But we'll be going through it as quickly as we can.
I have only taken selected quotes above, see the whole thread [webmasterworld.com] for the full dialog. From this exchange, it seems safe to make the follow assumptions (IMO):
1. -sj does does not contain the complete results from the deep crawl.
2. Pages from the deep crawl will be added to the index in coming days.
3. As pages are added, backlinks will be added.
4. (At least some) SPAM filters have not been applied to the index yet. Thus -sj is currently more spammy than the final index.
5. Given the preceding 4 assumptions, the SERPs of the final index could be drastically different from what we currently see on -sj (IMO).
joined:Mar 6, 2003
Hope any questions I asked about -sj versus -fi didn't throw anyone off.
What we're really looking at is the -fi activity ... trying to get a fix on what's going on there (OK, perhaps we have better things to do, granted).
Now that I take a step back, I think it's time for a walk on the beach.
I shouldn't drink martini's before noon, right?
Nothing else needs to be said. No complaints, no questions, no nothing. The sj results are far from complete, so what is the point of complaining about and questioning them when, GoogleGuy has said himself, there are still many changes to come?
(Quoting myself) "I don't want to waste time reporting spammy results on indexes that aren't finished, but I'm keen to give my feedback as soon as it is likely to be valuable.
I presume it is currently pointless to point out spam on -fi, -sj, www2 or whatever - but I could be wrong."
response from GoogleGuy: "Timing matters less, HenryUK--feel free to send them in now. You'll want to include your nickname and something like "webmasterworld" or "googleguy," and feel free to include "sj" as well."
I couldn't agree more about waiting to see how it shakes out before panicking, but as you see from the exchange above in another thread [webmasterworld.com], GG is welcoming spam reports on the *current* sj index.
GoogleGuy....Throw me a bone....
joined:Mar 6, 2003
Also, since the publishing of this last "update" was early (at least relative to recent expectations of May 11-ish), speculation that Google pushed this out to get reactions seems well founded...
If that's true, we could still be looking at days before it all shakes out (perhaps still around 5/11?), and that might also be consistent with GG's comments to date on Dominic...
That's my thinking anyway.
This domain was spidered in Feb. and added to the index in Apr.. It's clean and has good backlinks + text.
I am making the assumption that their are several steps left in the process for creating this most recent index and that when the process is complete I will once again be in good shape in the serps.
I understand that I may be assuming too much.
joined:Mar 6, 2003
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By NO means have they done that. If they had, this site would be near the top based on PR and on page factors. The current #4 site on this SERP in -sj has NO on page text at all. The reason it is #4 is inbound anchor text links.
That would be reverse thinking on the whole matter from Google's point of view, we would think.
And we're with mrbrad. We hope the sj/fi index resembles the final index in some big way, because our rankings our better on it. And, it seems some obvious spammers in our key phrases are missing from it as well.
Also, our listings/rankings in sj/fi are remaining stable from day to day, even if different from WWW. which itself is staying stable for us from day to day right now as well.
Let's here it for sj/fi. ha! (Now if that isn't self serving, don't know what is.)
Good luck, on this uptdate, to all.