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Update Dominic - Part 8

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lasko

9:43 pm on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google now shows on their main index the new update and new algo.

I thought Google where going to add more back links but they no.

The number of backlinks on one of my sites have dropped by 50%

I hope this posting is acceptable

natural

1:07 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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chicago-

no offense, but there has been no google update, so this thread is truly just opinion, speculation and pandamonium. i can't see any reason for ANYBODY not to post their opinion, speculation or panamonium here.

the rest of this is not targeted directly towards only you;

clearly anyone that gets overly paniced by the google update does not have a balanced approach to SE promotion. i think that this thread serves to prove one point; if one google update, or a couple of days or erroneous results show-up, and it does substantial damage to your business, then you do not have a balanced plan.

a balanced plan includes click-buying, playing the other SE's, and working on word-of-mouth through webrings and other resources.

i have to tell you that if google were to crash, it seems like a suicide watch would have to be put in effect throughout the webmaster community. i mean, how are you doing on msn? what are your ppc campaigns doing for you? how else are you reaching your targeted audience? what are your demographics, and what other surfing patterns do they have, besides looking for you in se's? are you listed in city search directories?

there are so many more constructive things that you could do to make your business more defensible.

as i said before; this thread is pure comedy...let's keep it from turning into a tragedy, and start taking more affirmitive steps towards protecting our livelyhoods. the truth is; google can do anything any time and in any way, shape or form that they want to do. yes, webmasters are important to them, but not the ones who rely on free SERPS, because that's not where they're making the money.

they want users. users drive the price of clicks. the amount of money in the ppc world is just insane. it makes sense that google would optimize for users first. yes, that does mean that the most relevant results would matter. but, guess what? if your site isn't included in the serps, the average surfer won't know and won't care. they don't know you exist anyway.

just my $.02. i will officially resign to lurker status again, unless called out on any of this.

thanks,
natch.

keeper

1:42 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's probably the most sensible thing I have heard all day natch.

However, I think there is some very good feedback that webmasters and GG can take away from all this. Not to mention we get a sneak preview of the index, and a chance to recognize any problems that may affect our clients. (As I did not 5 minutes ago)

Now all GG has to do is get a spanner and fix the problem on fi/sj before it hits www :)

whatson

1:49 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I use PPC, and do well in MSN and get visitors from many other sites, and WOM, but Google is still by far the main contributor of traffic to my site. I am sure this is the same for everyone else also.

outrun

2:06 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even though I have a very good PR on all inktomi search engines, it doesnt generate as much traffic as my not so good pr rankings on google. Which is sad, I read a recent article

The seven largest search engines on the web are Google (55.2 per cent), Yahoo (21.7 per cent), MSN Search (9.6 per cent), AOL Search (3.8 per cent), Terra Lycos (2.6 per cent), Altavista (2.2 per cent) and Ask Jeeves (1.5 per cent).

Now looking at that thats a lot of traffic that goes to google, Im sure everyone has a right to go mental over whats happening with google at the moment, although im not one of them.

On another note searching for some terms on the sj and fi server comes up lots of duplicate pages, same content different domain, for one search in particular one owner 20 different domains same content, Im sure this was covered already.

regards MArk

Chicago

2:12 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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natural.

1- Don't lurk. Participate.

2- Please don't presume that those who voice concern over live and incomplete SERPS, don't appreciate and employ a balanced approach. After all, who could call themselves a professional without a keen understanding of the multitude of tactics that may be employed to drive targeted traffic. Come on. Not one savvy person amongst us, would put their or their client's Internet strategy on the backs of G SERPs alone.

3. That being said, Natural, GOOGLE CONTROLS 75% of the SEARCH MARKET SHARE. SERP users are amongst the best prospects in the world, due to the pro-active pre-disposition of the user, relative to traditional forms of advertising, on and off the Web. So to say that one should not be concerned, or voice their opinion/speculate on the releasing of incomplete sj/fi datacenters, is to say that today, "I am willing to accept a 30-35% reduction (Y!/AOL)in SERP prospects. We are not paranoid, Natural. Nor are we hyper-sensitive. We are realists that want to understand the rationale that is causing such activity, so that we can make the necessary adjustments to be successful with this all important SE and Prospect base. Many of us saw major drops in sales and other measurable activity for some very important clients, today, and are worried about what tomorrow has in store. We are trying to understand as professionals, why...

4. Dance, or no dance, differing results are being pulled into AOL and Y!. That, in and of itself, should be the source of debate, contemplation, and speculation. Notwithstanding the direct impact that it is having on any one of us- diversified or not.

By the way, I don't know what you do for a living, but when it comes to Microsoft, do you go out there and diversify, or call others foolish for relying upon there technology predominately?

Not us, as Microsoft Certified Solutions Providers, we embrace it, much the same way we embrace Google. Cause in our world - Internet Strategy, if you don't, you will lose. That is if your intent is to be the best.

Justin

ircgeeks

2:54 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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here here Chicago well stated

CCowboy

5:07 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www showing 617,000

Thank you Google Guy!

asomani

5:10 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lets cross our fingers and pray better ranks for us and our clients.

jbauder

5:12 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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still showing 661,000 here ...

rfgdxm1

5:12 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sigh. No, it depends on what datacenter you hit. I am getting 661,000.

mil2k

5:13 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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661K for me.

CCowboy

5:13 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Try this 4x4

[webmasterworld.com...]

Showing 617,000 in Texas

AceAce

5:14 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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661 in Dayton, OH

jbauder

5:16 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ccow ... interesting page but scary ... 2 searches lots of backlinks and 2 pages -0- .... my site not yahoo

outrun

5:20 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From what I can see from here www is pulling results from sj and fi, They dont have any freshies. the other datacenters do.

Oh yeah, so I really dont think this is permenant, but when have I been right.

regards
Mark

[edited by: outrun at 5:22 am (utc) on May 14, 2003]

egomaniac

5:20 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing 661K on www and 617K on www2.

coosblues

5:22 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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just changed here in Oregon - all www's @ 617k but only -sj and -fi reflect the change

CCowboy

5:25 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's been a few minutes and I am still getting 617,000...

Google's "time to Live Record" for DNS is about 3 minutes. Should of changed if this not a DNS Zone Update!

I could be wrong... but I don't think so!

MetropolisRobot

5:28 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www. is still the old index as far as I am concerned. No changes.

Orbit_Micro

5:29 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yup www. is still the old index for me too and I'm in Texas

coosblues

5:33 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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it just reverted back here in Oregon too. I had noticed about an hour or two ago Google searches were taking for ever - something's up but with this "update/whatever it is" nothing seems stable.

CCowboy

5:37 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www. showing 216.239.53.99
www2. showing 216.239.35.100
www3. showing 216.239.35.100

My server in Atlanta is still showing old results...

1milehgh80210

5:41 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Co. showing www. 617,000.
Last 10 searches/ 5 min.

1milehgh80210

5:44 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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and back.....
)

CCowboy

5:48 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Still 617,000 for over 35 minutes...

McMohan

5:53 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Seeing 617,000 here too in India! Finally?!

Mc

Orbit_Micro

5:54 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what part of texas are you from CCowboy?

CCowboy

5:57 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Midland Texas... halfway between Dallas and El Paso.

Still 617,000!

Orbit_Micro

5:59 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Really I'm in Plano,TX and mine is still showing 661,000

CCowboy

6:04 am on May 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Orbit_Micro

Wish I was in Dallas... drinking at "Matt's No Place."

Just changed back to 661,000.

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