Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

[jretzer]

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

[JudgeJeffries]

Google is a business whose only responsibility is to its shareholders. Consideration of Googles tactics starts to make sense only when this is taken into account. Google is not the local SEO charity trying to be fair to all of us poor marketeers.

[Eazygoin]

JudgeJeffries - How does any company provide value to it's shareholders?
By providing a service to its customers, or by saying screw the customers, and the money will come in anyway?
My view is that by providing the most effective and up to date database possible, Google will continue to be seen as leader in it's field, and thus maintain its customer base, or increase it.
I don't wish to argue the point with you, but I guess we all have our opinions, and I respect yours.

[Strider]

Googleguy thank you for assistance!

thanks for seeing to my report through the dissatisfied link!

[mzanzig]

The results of Jagger2 are, erm, sub-optimal.

One term I have been watching (medical for a certain city) seems to be completely filled with EASY-TO-RECOGNIZE spam. E.g. when looking for a doctor, I see a tax consultant (!) as #10 on the first page instead of a M.D. (and there are 100s if not 1000s of M.D.s in this city). And a dating site is on page 2...?

This had been eleminated in previous updates because it was so easy to detect. Have G been doing a complete re-write of the engine?

[edited by: mzanzig at 10:59 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]

[erny]

I spend hours discovering superspammers at the top 10 listings and reporting them .Lets hope that all of you instead of moaning do the same and forget your pages problems for a few days.Lets help Google to get rid of those scammers forever.

[petehall]

So when will jagger3 begin?

[mzanzig]

erny:

Lets help Google to get rid of those scammers forever

Sure. What makes me curious, though, is the fact that in previous updates Google already got rid of these blatant spams. Why are they now all back? The results of Jagger2 look to me as if I am looking at a newly built engine instead of a mature, fully empowered engine. I wouldn't even want to call the SERPs "beta" - in its current state the SERPs are far from being useful to end cunsumers at all.

And yes, I reported some spammers using the way described by GG before, but I started to wonder: shouldn't Google be doing their homework first, given the many obvious spam sites in the SERPs? Why ask webmasters to look for spam sites?

[erny]

"Why ask webmasters to look for spam sites"
because a mature webmaster knows better the way to spot spammers ,because he has knowledge of how Search Engines used to work and rank pages in the past (but not anymore).I believe that jagger way of fighting spam by reports of webmasters ,mainly ,will be followed from Yahoo and MSN as well .

[reseller]

erny

>>"Why ask webmasters to look for spam sites"
because a mature webmaster knows better the way to spot spammers ,because he has knowledge of how Search Engines used to work and rank pages in the past (but not anymore).I believe that jagger way of fighting spam by reports of webmasters ,mainly ,will be followed from Yahoo and MSN as well .<<

WELL SAID!

[Tinus]

I also think reports to Google doesn't make much sense. Why to report spammers when they are so easy to detect by manual check by a Google-team? Removing individual pages doesn't make much sense.
Those spam reports to Googlie might have more meaning as a relieve for the emotions of white and grey hat webmasters who went down then that it will improve much at the Serps on long run. It would only make sense if webmasters know techniques to detect those crooks Google doesn't know. Just looking at the top of the search is something Google must be able to do better I think.
Reporting spammers doesn't feel good to me. There is a to thin line between grey hat spammers and some of my competitors. Bad for ego. Just my opinion.