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Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005

When can we expect a new PR update?

         

jretzer

5:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?

erny

11:36 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



spam spotting lessons.
1)check source code
2)check noframe code
3)check Google's cached text only.
4)edit select all and check for hidden text
5)download the background img .gif or .jpg check the colour of the img (lets say #FFFFFF) if text and links are #FFFFFF then we have an obvious hidden text+links spam case
6)check networks of pages that all point to the main big Pufadder mama.
7)check for meta refresh redirections or download the JS file from the scam page to invastigate the JS redirection script (www.mysite.com/red.js).
that's for starters........

MHes

11:40 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not happy with this 'report a spammer' concept.

It strikes me that if Google can't see the problems for themselves, then relying on spam reports is not going to achieve much overall. I thought they tried to identify tactics and adjust algos to weed out spammers on mass. Spamming is not rocket science and by now they should know all the tricks. Why have they started looking at it in such an inefficient way?

Have they run out of better ideas?

meeko

11:42 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My site until last week had a PR5 with 200 backlinks.
Today it is PR 0 (all 200 or so pages) and no backlinks - am I in the sandbox?
Any ideas how I get my PR back

mzanzig

11:45 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Please do not misunderstand me - I am all for getting rid of spam in SERPs. No discussion about this.

What I am wondering is: Looking at a jagger2 search result that contains up to 80 per cent pure spam and/or black hat techniques on the first page, where is the point in reporting spam? This turns out to be endless, and it could take hours to weed out the results - and this is just for one single phrase. And for stuff that HAD BEEN fixed already, i.e. it was machine detectable before.

ap_Rhys

11:47 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This spam reporting business seems like trying to empty the Atlantic Ocean with a teaspoon.

erny

11:50 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)



MHs
"I'm not happy with this 'report a spammer' concept"
The above spamspotting i posted it's almost impossible to be detected automatically by Algos.
That is the only way I recon to get rid of spam ,and it needs hundreds even thousands of people to spot it voluntarily( if we want a better web in future).

Eazygoin

11:56 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone tried out the new Adwords Keyword Tool yet? You can check your URL for keywords now, but it didn't seem to work for my website, returning now words. So, I included all URL's on the website, some 1200 pages, and it returned results for just one page.

The relevance of this, is that some people suggest o here that Google wants to increase revenue with the new update, as much as provide an update on the SERP's.

thecityofgold2005

11:57 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For months I have been arguing for more human input into the serps.

I think that Google has realised that it cannot stop spam through algo's / filters alone. By encouraging spam reports it is allowing human judgement a bigger role. And human judgement is always going to be better than algorithms at weeding out bad sites in the ever changing spam game.

Think about it, if Google had stayed algo-only there would be no end to this algo change > tweak site > mcdar / webceo cycle. Google would never have great serps and would waste massive amounts of time and money spidering and tweaking.

As it is, Google will soon have human verified serps in most sectors and can then, once it has trust in the existing sites in the serps, shift it's energy to policing newcomers.

For me Jagger (so far anyway) represents a huge leap forward in attitude form Google that has set it apart from the other search engines and will keep it ahead for a long time.

All these spam reports that must be flooding in now give them a vast expanse of information to work with.

It's all about Google trying to establish trust in Webmasters.

MHes

11:57 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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mzanzig - I agree.

Perhaps they will see new tactics and adjust the algo but in this frenzie of reporting I think the bigger picture is being lost. Its a great way to appear 'caring' towards webmasters in this forum but ultimately it is a stitch up.

If I wanted to soften the impact of a big mistake I would:

1) Say its rolling out over several weeks.
2) Ask for key players (webmasters) for help and appear to be responding.
3) Blame canonical technical problems that seems to be very complicated and a bit woolly.

Eazygoin

11:58 am on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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returning now words
meant to read 'returning no words'
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