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A new Jagger2 day. Isn't it wonderful to be alive :-)
Dayo_UK told me around 20th October that there were some DCs which weren't showing my homepage when run a query of my homepage title?
And "by mistake" I called those 3 DCs names :-)
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147
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Well..it seems that either Jagger1 or Jagger2 has been there visiting the 3 DCs and they are now, as the rest of the 45 DCs I watch, showing my homepage as #1 when run query of my hompepage title!
And as a fair person, I wish to apologize in public to the 3 said DCs and promiss that I will never again call them names :-)
So it could be that either Jagger1 or Jagger2 has already solved few problems for sites like mine. Who knows what good things Jagger3 might bring us.
Jaggeeeeeeeeeeeeeer! You Rock ;-)
Somehow the word relevance escapes me with the new Google results when they almost totally flip them in many areas. Were the old results less relevant? Are the thousands of new results more relevant? Relevant to who? Relevance is an impossible term to define except in the eyes of the beholder. Seems like they’re more relevant to Google’s pocketbook than anybody else. If Google is now so interested in spam why would I think the results are now more relevant? Wouldn’t the new results contain less spam if it was a step forward?
>>Good morning Reseller. Now on to my diatribe.
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If Google is now so interested in spam why would I think the results are now more relevant? Wouldn't the new results contain less spam if it was a step forward? <<
Good morning to you too, outland88 .
I guess we have to wait and see how things look like after Jagger3 and the flux that will follow it.
But as to spam reporting to the folks at Google WebSpam Team, I see it as a win-win deal.
We as white hat webmasters should always be interested in removing spam sites and spammers from the serps for very obvious reasons.
Therefore, fellow members:
Please start reporting those spammers here:
[google.com...]
In the "Additional details:" section, you would use the keyword "jagger2" (that's "jagger" and the number two with no spaces in between).
I'm headed off to bed. Catch you on the upside. I told way back it was going to be the biggest update you had ever seen. Next week I'll bet they're going to hit harder and more sites.
[edited by: outland88 at 6:29 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
I really can't think of a better result set I could have seen in that topic area.
Clearly some people are tracking some topic areas that google does not succeed in yet, but I'm seeing areas where they do succeed. This doesn't say other results don't fail completely, but I'm seeing some that are very good.
Obviously, ideally anyone commenting is cabable of being mildly objective about the results - that is, if your site is not in the top 20 the results do not by definition then suck.
1) Stop words like "in" are being counted far more than before. (probably word proximity turned up)
2) Taking chunks of text from a site that has been hit still does not make the site rank (unless you copy and paste 10+ words). With other sites, a copy and paste search of 5 words brings the site up.
Its as if a hit site now only possibly ranks for anchor text or words in a title tag. All the body text is basically ignored. The question is, what has triggered this special treatment for some sites?
What style of sites have been hit?
Mine are directories with hand written unique text, 5 years old, 160 pages and niche.
"Obviously, ideally anyone commenting is cabable of being mildly objective about the results - that is, if your site is not in the top 20 the results do not by definition then suck."
Well my results suck then. :) I'm at 24.
But seriouly, I do see the jagger2 results as an upgrade in my market. Not by much, but better. There's only one site in the top ten that I feel in no way belongs there. And even that site is on target with the keywords, just a 25k page affiliate site with a blog overloaded with free public domain articles posted and no origianl content.
The results from 10-20 are questionable. One lame directory, an interal page from the number 2 site, a few big sites related to one of the keywords but not some much the other, one very small niche site.
But overall it's an upgrade, especially near the top.
I've reviewed these types of sites routinely, and as far as I'm concerned, they are almost all garbage, I could care less which one actually ranks.
This is why googleguy wants spam reports.
The less aggressively competitive categories look fine to me.
Worrying about adsense sites [the observations are right, but it just doesn't matter], I don't know, feel free if worrying about something that you have absolutely no control over makes you feel productive, personally I'd call that a waste of time, but whatever people want to spend their time on, it's your life. Personally I'd rather work on finding solutions to current problems.
[edited by: 2by4 at 6:46 am (utc) on Oct. 28, 2005]
Its as if a hit site now only possibly ranks for anchor text or words in a title tag. All the body text is basically ignored. The question is, what has triggered this special treatment for some sites?"
My site URL is two words, one a keyword the other an uncommon adjective. Many of my inbound links use the site name with a space between the two words. When I disappeared after Jagger1, I was number 1 still for a search of the two words with no space, but 120 something if you put the space in.
I think "trigger" is a good term to use. Because with jagger2 I am now close to where I was before jagger. But I can't help but feeling that any little tweak in the wrong direction of the flux could send me into nowhere land again. It does seem that once you are penalized, you aren't going to rank for any shorter searches no matter how spot on they are to your content.
But this is the strange bit with my site. I now get top positions for very competitive 2 or 3 word searches if those words appear in the title or anchor text. Any 'body' content searches and I'm nowhere...... result = 90% loss of traffic.
My site has been specifically selected and the penalty is that I will now only rank when the keywords appear in the title or anchor text. We have other sites unaffected that are very similar in design etc. (but different server and unrelated).
I am not paranoid but I'm beginning to think Google has specifically stopped the free ride for my site. With 20k+ per day from Google it was sufficiently prominent for them to notice it. There is no ban, just a specific reduction in the amount of text they will now rank me for.e.g. limited to anchor or title text.
This could be another aspect to Jagger. Google likes 'fog' to confuse things for seo webmasters. So they have this other element applied at the same time as general algo changes.
