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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
Good job.
walkman,
Google's stock is through the roof and they're making a killing as it is, they don't need to ban your site or my site to make more money. They're too young to pull those tricks and they don't need to. If their stock starts crashing and they're under pressure to make the expected revenue, then I guess one can speculate.It is hard to believe that google's current market value is over $46 billion, trading at almost $300 per share. However, with a P/E ratio of 115 to 1 would indicate a strong hint of irrational exuberance.
Even so, to all those who may think Bourbon has anything to do with maximizing revenue...IMHO this is not the case. As an avid searcher I can attest that Google, Yahoo and MSN serps have been terrible for awhile. PPC and the such has spawned so much spam that I have taken to using gigablast.
It is not a matter of maximizing revenue, but rather an attempt to stop the bleeding of market share (ie; users).
According to CNN yesterday: Google is worth over EIGHTY (80) BILLION $, (I believe their current shares are at $288 per), and G ads is just HOW they ARE making their biggest bucks, (which would explain why so many non-relevant sites & spam sites that now hold top spots just so happen to have G ads on them). They (CNN) of course failed to mention what is currently going on with their SE. Those shares are not only going to soon drop when word gets out, but so many businesses now being trashed and replaced with NON business sites instead, could have an detrimental effect on the national economy. That's NOT just my "opinion" either but the general consensus at several forums.
I guess it just depends on what you search for, but when I search for phrases, MSN & Yahoo are still returning sensible relevant content.
I just want to tell google: We are in the same boat. We are not spammers. We are not scrapers. It's time for us to fight back!
I think we all agree, but HOW do we "fight back"?
Does it really need to take so long to add/mix/distribute an update?
First I would like to say that it is nice that you have chosen to answer questions when possible. I wish that when I had written to Google last week and asked if something was going on since my site vanished, they could have simply said they were going through a known update called Bourbon rather than tell me no. So I appreciate your answering questions.
I can say that summer is not always the best time for updates as some sites rely heavily on summer traffic. Mine was one of them. Though, on May 21st, our site vanished from the #5 position for our primary keywords to anywhere between 350 to 800+.
I have been monitoring datacenters and they went from some of them having us where we originally were (#5) to all of them putting us incredibly low. A few days ago we were seeing some datacenters showing us back up to our original positions, but only on a few datacenters. While the rest still showed low results. Then yesterday, we seem to have vanished from those hopeful returing results. However, the "allinanchor" and "allintitle" seem to still have us where Google had us before this disaster (#5). I am not sure how this works, but I am holding on to those results as last feelings of hope.
I hope after this update things will improve again for us but I am getting more and more discouraged. We have no spam, we have abided by the rules and yet this is simply amazing to me. Google is still caching our site and almost each day I see more pages being picked up by Google for our site. So it looks like it is growing and yet still no changes or improvements with our positioning.
Many are reporting great results here, but I am afraid what is happening to us is slowly killing our site.
If you or anyone have any hopeful thoughts or words of encouragement or even things to consider we need to change, please let me know. I am open to any advice.
Cheers,
Confused_Ellie
P.S. We experienced something very similar in Feb/March 05. We did recover after about 5 weeks but we still don't know what went wrong there and we were still getting more traffic than this time. We did not vanish as badly as this time.
bingo...
you would think they would crunch the info and then present it rather than using their live production servers and telling everyone to just wait it out...
we're all webmasters here... development on live servers is risky and the professionals develop on another system.
I wish that when I had written to Google last week and asked if something was going on since my site vanished, they could have simply said they were going through a known update called Bourbon rather than tell me no. So I appreciate your answering questions.
I have seen something very interesting. The longer my site is in Google, the higher it ranks. Is this right? I have sites that have been in there for ions, but only now receive a higher rank, and have slowly been creeping up towards the top in the last two months or so. Then I have others who do well in a very short time, and have not been sandboxed too badly. Maybe it's just luck, coincidence, maybe it's part of bourbon - call it what you may, i'm not complaining. What do you guys think of that phenomenan?
I have seen something very interesting. The longer my site is in Google, the higher it ranks. Is this right? I have sites that have been in there for ions, but only now receive a higher rank, and have slowly been creeping up towards the top in the last two months or so. Maybe it's just luck, coinsidance, maybe it's part of bourbon - call it what you may, i'm not complaining. What do you guys think of that phenomenan?
MSN & Yahoo are still returning sensible relevant content
Best engine right now seems to be Y!, with Google a close second (even with all their problems right now). MSN still has a lot to learn.
Conspiracy theories continue in this thread - too bad. Each one I've read has the tone - My site is not doing well because Google is evil. Well come join the club...
I've written over 500 articles over the last year. Most of which appear in Google's index and none of which rank for anything. I've followed Brett's 26 steps almost to the letter. I've been lucky enough to have some readers here look at my site and make suggestions - all of which made sense and I've changed.
I think that I calculated once that I make in the range of 50 cents an hour working on the site (all in, since its start). Thankfully, I do rank pretty well in Yahoo recently.
Do I think that there is a sandbox - yes. Do I think my site is being punished for some unknown reason (relating to the algo) - maybe. Do I beleive that Google is conspiring against me because I run adsense (or any other reason) - No.
Hopefully when this update is over, we'll get back to analyzing the changes.
