Google Update Bourbon Part 3

[Sweet Cognac]

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

[reseller]

MikeNoLastName

>In order to banish the affiliate and scraper sites G has started penalizing linking OUT of ALL kinds! Think about it in regards to your own rank degradations this time around. Like I think I heard EFV mention too, the pages with the most external links have been degraded the most.<

You and EFV are 1/2 right ;-)

From my observations I have noticed that within several categories pages wich are "rich" with outbound links have lost their ranking on the serps. But it seems that it is a number game after all.

It seems that Google penalize only pages which contain outbound links exceeding a certain maximum number. Something around 100 though I´m not so sure of the exact limit yet, but I´m testing ;-).
Therefore you shouldn´t be surprise if you see a #1 page on the serp containing for example 84 oubound links.

As to affiliate programs, I don´t see them the way some fellow members do. Affiliate program is a serious business model and to earn anything out of affiliate marketing you should do a serious and hard work. But as in all branches of business, there is good and bad.

As I mentioned in a previous message, I see Google attempting to limit the presence of pages related to affiliate marketing from the top of the serps. But the example I gave today from google UK illustrated very clear that they are still there.

[MikeNoLastName]

"Do you think that if people are hardcoding within their site (to their site) this would mean the same?"

From what I'm thinking... I'd say No. Within site linking is obviously necessary, and not against what it appears they are trying to block.

" If we removed extra external links, do you think this would help during the next crawl? "

If my theory is correct, it sure wouldn't hurt.
But of course this is only a theory which will need much more testing and observation, so only do what you feel you can live with. In our case some pages which have a lot of external links are so low in the SERPs that it couldn't really hurt, so WE will be playing with it.

The more I think about it, the more it follows what I have been predicting for 5 years and which people have laughed at in the past. That G hates competition, including sites which try to be like it. These include directories, other search engines, middle-men type advertisers. So the more your site looks or acts like G (whether intentionally or by accident), the lower they're going to rank you. Don't believe me? Go Google the term 'search engine' right now and ponder the order of the results. The more non-competitive, neutral, free content you offer (like published library book text ;), the more they'll like you.

[reseller]

needinfo

>Why did you ask Bddmed to specifically try these DCs? <

As I see those two DCs, things start and end there, but I could be wrong of course.

[MikeNoLastName]

Reseller
"It seems that Google penalize only pages which contain outbound links exceeding a certain maximum number. Something around 100 though I´m not so sure of the exact limit yet, but I´m testing ;-). "

I think you are 1/2 right too :-)
I'm thinking more a density thing.
I'm thinking it's more a matter of proportion of text to outgoing links. If you have a page with NOTHING but say 20 outgoing links, it is still going to be dumped. But a page which say has 20 paragraphs of text with one link per paragraph is fine.
So, sneeringly and ironically, scrapers with one line of description and an external link will be out, but those who copy entire paragraphs or who don't link at all, will still be in.

[Dayo_UK]

The main thing is there is no such thing as "UK present serps". If you don't say what datacenter you are looking at, you aren't saying anything.

SteveB - Correct of course - but the UK serps do have a seperate twist added too.

[Dayo_UK]

Ok - Onto Part 3 - so we are officialy still in update mode ;)?

GG - feel like Moshing in the pit with us webmaster - we know you love too - ;)

Edit reason - just cleaning up (twice)

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 8:59 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

[Brett_Tabke]

we are in talk-about-the-update-mode...

[flicker]

Reseller, Mike, etc.: How do you figure they're doing that without destroying directories, which are mostly links and not much text? I still see Yahoo and ODP directory pages high up in the SERPs. Is it just that those are such high-ranking and high-regarded directories, and smaller directories really are getting creamed?

[reseller]

MikeNoLastName

Pls notice that my reply to your above post ended in part 2 of this thread.