Google Update Bourbon Part 3

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

[reseller]

MHes

>But if Google sees people clicking the scrapers in the organic results and then clicking the adsense on a scraper site...... the evidence is that the user is finding the site they want AND google is making money indirectly from the organic results.

Win Win <

Agree. And I had posted previously to that effect.

However better is removing the scrapers from top 20 positions by Bourbon update. Allowing the "good" AdSense publishers instead.

You end with:

- Surfer find the content he was looking for on the organic listings. I.e satisified Google user.

- Surfer click on AdSense after finishing reading the content of the page.

AdSense publisher win. Advertiser win. Google win.

Win-Win-Win

[JaySmith]

AdSense publisher win. Advertiser win. Google win.

Win-Win-Win

And if your "good adsense site" has to pay for adwords where a scraper site would never do, then it's a

Scraper win, Advertiser Win, Google Win From Scraper Adwords, Google Win From Your Adwords.

Win-Win-Win-Win....

[MikeNoLastName]

WE used to be the ONLY Adsense publisher in our rather large niche in the top 20. We were in top #15 for 3+ years. We are a PR6 site. G persued US for months to get us to sign up as a publisher. Last month one of our huge corporate competitors with a PR7 Finally started being an adsense publisher. Now we're #95. Still questioning the adsense = A FACTOR in being dumped theory?
I'm guessing they're singling out the most lucrative/productive adsense publisher sites in each category (whether scraper or content producer) and then intentionally degrading all the competition. So you're either THE top-dog adsense publisher or ranked as just another rat with the PR1's.
Test it out in your own categories and see.

[Kim_R]

Who do you think has a higher CTR for the same search category, a scraper site or a "quality" site?

[annej]

For 2 word search terms, pages which relate to just one of those terms but contain the other term somewhere are beating pages which relate to the two terms (ignoring all other factors).

Wow, This exactly describes what I've seen. I think it's an important key to figuring out what has been changed in this algo.

[hereforinfo]

AOL My Business Card

site.aol.co.uk

I'm missing something in a search when google returns 17,200,000 results and an aol business card is in the mix.. is this all i need to do to finish in the top .. ok then im an seo expert.. glad its a hobby for me

Searching from the USA

[edited by: hereforinfo at 9:11 pm (utc) on June 1, 2005]

[JaySmith]

Who do you think has a higher CTR for the same search category, a scraper site or a "quality" site?

Scraper sites by far... Scrapers don't want people hanging around their site. They are made so that people come and go just as quickly as they came via a google ad.

[Dayo_UK]

Ok, this thread aint half detoriated.

There are plenty of threads regarding Adsense and scrapers. But this is a Google update thread - an update which has not even been completed yet.

But hey - it is normally the way. Anyone seen any worthwhile changes in the DCs recently that are worth talking about?

annej - that has been the way for a while - if you rank really really well for one keyword it is not to hard to rank for a keyword associated (even if remotely) to that keyword.

[MikeNoLastName]

"Who do you think has a higher CTR for the same search category, a scraper site or a "quality" site?"

Why a scraper site of course, by a long shot, because it applies more specifically to a narrow topic and noone can find what they want ON the page, so they click off to somewhere else via the Adsense links.

But if Adsense IS being used in this update, I would say it is more based on EARNINGS (i.e. volume), not CTR. That is why some very busy sites, which started in #1,2,3 with adsense are still ranking with the scrapers. While others with adsense who ranked well, but aren't quite as BUSY (profitable) got dumped. Or I COULD be entirely wrong... it's just a theory. Although from what I've read on other threads, it seems to be a FACT, that MOST of those dumped DO run Adsense ads.

It's all about (Googles) money.

"Anyone seen any worthwhile changes in the DCs recently that are worth talking about? "

I noticed the total search results amounts on some DCs went back to where they were a few days ago.

[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 9:26 pm (utc) on June 1, 2005]

[helleborine]

I'm looking forward to seeing some movement.

For 2-3 days my keywords are stuck with 2 different sets of results across datacenters. Both are remarkable for their large proportion of directory page pollution.

I wonder when that "0.5" level of improvement that GG mentioned (is that like being half pregnant?) is going to be initiated, and what the effects will be. It should be fun to watch - I hope my popcorn won't be stale by the time it gets going!