Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[Dayo_UK]

>>>>but I am fairly sure the instances of sites having different content on www and non-www is far less than the no. of sites suffering from this Canonical mess now.

Yes, no doubt about it - I have a site that has had identical content on non-www and www and never been changed since launch and has got the problem.

And of course Matts site has a related problem and has identical content on the non-www and www homepages.

I think the way Google is run they like to get things "Technically correct" - which means that they may not employ some shortcuts - even if they knew it would alleviate some of the problems.

[McMohan]

Dayo,

So the whole sites get indexed twice

Again where sites have different content on www and non-www. Even if Google were to go awry on indexing sites with different content on www and non-www, I think that will be much lesser a news than it is now, with all webmasters scurrying off to do that 301 from non-www to www.

[johnhh]

petehall:
We see the same - home page outranking relevant internal page - and have been seeing this since before I went on a trip last week.

IMO there's no way that a crawl would be immediatly followed by an algo working on the data - this happens at a later date/time. I also wonder whether the algo is applied to ranges of IP addressses at a time.

So much too learn - isn't life wonderful ( cue postings on meaning of life and 42 )

[McMohan]

Dayo

I think the way Google is run they like to get things "Technically correct"

Though I am not sure if Google works that way, but if it does, then they land-up in more problems as they have now, with Canonical, 302 site hijack etc :)

[reseller]

LegalAlien

>>Someone please tell me not to worry and that you're seeing the same. Reseller, any chance a steaming hot cup of cappuccino to calm my nerves? :)) <<

Really don't worry. Things are changing all the time (FLUX) as many of our friends here have reported. Google is just running a "Mental-Test" among webmasters and only those who start their day by a cup of Danish Brand Cappuccino shal survive ;-)

[petehall]

petehall:
We see the same - home page outranking relevant internal page - and have been seeing this since before I went on a trip last week.
IMO there's no way that a crawl would be immediatly followed by an algo working on the data - this happens at a later date/time. I also wonder whether the algo is applied to ranges of IP addressses at a time.

So much too learn - isn't life wonderful ( cue postings on meaning of life and 42 )

I thought I saw a tiny bit of movement earlier on so maybe this won't last too long.

It doesn't really bother me... but I do think more relevant internal pages are better for users (and conversions!).

[like2golf]

Time to switch from where J3 currently is, to where it isn't:

I'm seeing J3 on ALL DC's EXCEPT:

216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.105
64.233.161.147
64.233.179.104

[taps]

errr, seeing a lot of DCs down. I'm only getting timeouts.

Hey, who pulled the plug?

(a friend of mine, living 150km south of me is seeing the same, thus it could not be my computer or network)

[Umbertide]

yep there seem to be problems - i am seeing this and cant access google or login to my accounts

[zeus]

I can not make any search on google then I get a 404 also adsense is down, but google.com is online

[Dayo_UK]

Strange - I am not getting any problems accessing any part of Google.

[ssjxxx]

Same here. I can get to my www.google.com DC, but that's the only one I have been able to connect to so far this morning. Could it be that this signals the end of J3? (finally!)

-S

[fiu88]

oh dear...just when I saw our listings come back to where they were pre-jagger..

[sfgirl]

Colin H
"A post Christmas blitz may be on the cards for the google algo. This might be why the serps seems to be favouring big, established brands at present."

We are a big, established brand - been around for 10 years at same URL and are being hit by the update. Seems that pages comparing products are hit hardest, and individual product pages themselves are also slipping, despite recent SEO efforts (basic clean up, <H> tags, <alt> attributes + updated titles and descriptions and redone in css) - rolled out during Jagger update. A lot of our pages seemed to have started a big fall on 10/25.

The site is doing better than ever in Yahoo and MSN.

We do have canonical URL problems - not at the site level (www vs. non-www) but internal pages with 10 or more URLs for the same page. Cleaning this up and hoping for the best...

[sfgirl]

And our site at subdomain.example.com was hit the hardest of all. It has 1/2 the traffic of last year at this time , despite improvements to the site.

All of our SEO is very white hat by the way, and recently implemented, since there was not a whole lot of SEO before the Jagger update. Now basic SEO efforts + Jagger update seems to have made our sites dip in Google, but we're better off in Y & M.

[Pico_Train]

subdomain.domain.com is pretty much spam these days in Google's eyes.

[Kangol]

Yes,
But I see in first 20 SERPs for a competitive keyword I watch 7 spamy subdomain.domain.com...

[ssjxxx]

subdomain.domain.com is pretty much spam these days in Google's eyes.

Not true. I have several sites that are subdomains of the same domain. They all rank well and most receive a fair amount of traffic from G.

-S

[Pico_Train]

Good, keep your fingers crossed then.

[sfgirl]

interesting. Our most popular part of our main site lives at a subdomain too. That is where our product pages and product comparison pages live that are doing sucky since Jagger. We do have pages in there that are doing ok though, just not our most important ones (and the bulk of our site)...

[lasko]

We made some slight adjustments to a site last month this being meta tags and titles, the whole web site is clean and has been doing well for the past 12 months however this update the site has disappeared except for 1 phrase.

its seems everytime we make a slight change the web site disappears for a few weeks then returns.

many of the top sites in the SERPS are pages that don't have a single reference to the keyword used and are big companies with 1000's of backlinks and pages.

Very strange update!

[ramachandra]

Today I am seeing my site on page 6 for 2 main keywords in most of the DC including 66.102.9.104, since May 2005 my site was nowhere in SERPs till last week. I am very much excited to see by site back in SERPs.

Is Jagger 3 Update is over or still tweaking of SERPs is going on?

[petehall]

Hopefully Google are still tweaking as there's a suprising amount of garbage ranking quite highly IMO.

[Kangol]

I hope that is not over. There are lots of bad results on my keywords and my site ain't ranking well.

[StriderUK]

I think there is still flux going on simply because I have some keywords doing well and many others (which are of similar popularity) still out of the picture. The pattern doesn't seem complete or logical.

[Keypoint]

>>I unfortunately have to report that my large spammers are not punished despites the obvious (GG said it will take time so hopefully some clean up will come<<

Well some website I see, is total erease. Whas 6 years old, PR5 is now PR0. By site:www.company.com Google return: Your search - did not match any documents.

Some thing is going on. looks good ;-)

[petehall]

The pattern doesn't seem complete or logical.

I think that sums it up in a nutshell!

[ramachandra]

> Hopefully Google are still tweaking as there's a suprising amount of garbage ranking quite highly IMO.

I do agree with you.

[bekyed]

Yes,

I hope this aint over, we are going from pos 12 to 145

Bek.

[Armi]

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