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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

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Dear Webmasters and readers,

“””Google is the biggest spammer the internet has ever known”””

Hopefully my post here will stay as it is unlike the shambolic vestiges of my previous posts that were either fragmented to Brett’s taste or splintered in a way to make google and GoogleGuy look good. If any editing is indicated below, please disregard any of the contents in this post.

Just to give you an Idea obout what was going on, alexa was forced to change its redirection methods to 301 after I exposed their 302 tricks. I have been banned by alexa ever since. A notable friend here confirmed that google may have forced alexa to do the change.

Clint,

Your plight in this bourbon update indicates an archetypical example of being collateral damage in the tyrannical and indomitable wake of google’s compulsive campaign to bolster its pay per click revenue for itself and stockholders.

The wrong thing to do is to start thinking about doing a 301 to resolve the non www which should be google’s job and this sort of thing never ends because we could forever tweak mod-rewrites to resolve even missing trailing slashes, dots in url etc etc etc etc etc. Your html code is fine and well within google to understand your site. There are HTML GURU sites that are also in oblivion. Wild guesses is no way to adjust or to create a website. And at the moment no webmaster in the world can suggest a method of creating a site that google approves of. Note how GoogleGuy avoids telling you what to do? Read googles patents and you will be excused to thinking that it is the end of the internet unless google is displaced.

Indications are 100% correct that google now also see 301 redirects as a sites instability and gets points deducted. Advocators in thousands of websites relating to 301 redirects being endorsed by google are misleading to say the least and could wind up your website in google’s cordon sanitair. Previously known and trusted methods of site creation are now the most dangerous methods to create a site.

GoogleGuy will provide a anthology of ignominious minutiae such as derisory 3.5 update procedures that insults the IQ of even the most junior of webmasters, heuristics, diminishing pagerank reputation, improved search provisions etc etc, thus being implemented in ongoing data-centres to improve results for end users.

No webmaster can lay claim to knowing how to create a website for google. The customer he makes a new site for is destined for an indefinite period in the cooler for up to 2 years. Many previously award winning web designs are in the sandbox or oblivion due to an earlier spectacularly named update. It is a total hit or miss affair.

There are no winners or losers. There are the unaffected and the damned. It is as simple as that.

Google has cost webmasters more than it is worth in the stock exchange. By increasing its already gargantuan database to an 8 billion colossus it now holds and infinite resource of expendable websites from its index. Expended sites invariably will resort to pay per click if removed from the index. As with any database a denominator is selected within their algo and “”BANG”” down goes the condemned sites into Hades’s domain locked up by Cerberus, a pitiless serpent tailed 50 headed google’s algo guard-dog.

As in bourbon this is most likely the case and there is nothing you can do to recover your site. It is now all about google having mercy on your hard work. All monopolies become the thing they first promise to avoid. In goggles case it has metamorphosed from the Masiah of the internet to become the most unfortunate event of the evolution of the web. A despot willing and able to thump its iron fist into the face of any webmaster it chooses.

Google provides 10 results by default within its first page search….. YOU THINK,,,,,, WRONG…..Very wrong. Google first comes up with sandboxed sites and non sandboxed sites.

Within a split second google filters out sandboxed sites and presents you with it own result. Your sandboxed site is in the filtered out sites irrespective that it may rank number 1.

Your demoted site after an update such as bourbon will be anywhere to oblivion. Most sandboxed sites are clustered within 100 to 200.

So here you have it, google’s algo is tweaked up with yet another denominator that works to pick out what google decides. You cannot possibly overcome it. It is pointless tweaking up your apache server or your webpages. 8 billion pages is an infinite resource. The slightest tweak brings in millions of dollars. A unsophisticated but highly effected method of printing money. Google is the biggest spammer the internet has ever known.

GoogleGuy’s desiderative here is to micturate an insensate catharsis on behalf of google. The more reasonable question you ask the more irascible and condescending reply you get. Good websites are being destroyed by google. Employees are being laid off, webmasters are getting a bad name all for maintaining GoogGuy’s and algo tweakers salary. Nothing is for nothing in this life and google is feasting on the blood sweat and tears of webmasters and websites

Any editing below this indicates Brett's intention on what he wants you to read. Please leave it alone Brett. There are webmasters here that need to know the algo procedure. It is a simple tweak to bring in millions. You know this and I want the readers to know.

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I don't doubt that's true for your site, Clint, but it's probably better not to publicly dismiss the idea having merit at all or try to dissuade other users from taking the possibility seriously, because the new algorithm tripping over some bad HTML in their site or messing up www vs. non-www may be exactly what's caused their inexplicable crash and burn.
I'd be very surprised if all the sites that fell off the index after an update were having the same problem. I'm hardly an expert at what they might all be, but there are almost certainly at least a few different things going on here, not just one.

I don't know exactly to what statement you are referring, but it's not my intention to dissuade anything. I'm just passing along my observations which is all any of us can do, is it not?

"....I pointed out in a previous post that I ran all sites on the first couple of pages of results through the header checker, both their non and www versions and they all were http code 200, none were 301 redirect as they 'should be'. I however DID change mine and fixed that, because yes, of course it is logical to try and fix anything that "MIGHT" help. I however from my observations don't think it will."

That's just my observation as I stated. ;) We all have to try many things, and until some G employee will grace us with the WHY'S and specifics of what is going on (i.e. removals), I feel we all could be just spinning our wheels.

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>My google traffic has gone up a few 100%, thank you google :) Loving the new algo :)<

Congrats! But since when?

Reseller, the last 2/3 days when the Good algo came in :)

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Clint,

You can also run any of the sites appearing on the first few pages for a G search through a validator and see tons of errors. (Recently one of these other 3 sites has also been trashed but it was not the one with all the errors).

True it a certain point. However, not all html syntax errors are fatal. Some are. Most of the time JS does not validate as it is not recommended by the W3C. Does not mean it will inhibit the crawl. My post to hellbourne concerned "fatal" errors as a bot sees it.

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GoogleGuy’s desiderative here is to micturate an insensate catharsis on behalf of google.

HUH?

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I've seem to have had my domain.com removed from google for my own keywords. By my own keywords I mean a product I created and is somewhat well know in my industry. The keywords/products have been in the results since about 1998. There are a number of sites that are listed that are selling the product (which is ok) but mine is no longer there :(

Most of the other keywords have been moved to 60th position or below. I can't seem to find my site for almost all 2 and 3 keyword combinations.

My site also has affiliate links with 'pure' content about the affiliate product with what I would consider useful information.

I was first hit at the beginning of feb 2005 and then further with this latest update. I don't even want to guess to as how bad it is for my site, but its not very good at all.

In the GoogleGuy thread I thought I read that this update isn't even half way finished. I can't seem to find the post at the moment.

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Another thing Clint...

I admire hellebourne for asking for advise as to what steps she can take to remedy her situation...and the fact that she is not afraid to allow some us examine her source code. Before you start making generalized assumptions that correctly formed html is not a valid reason for some sites taking a hit...you need to know that facts regarding her specific situation.

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Google is becoming the most inconsistent search engine on the web.

Sites are index than gone!

Sites are placed in the SERB's and if you gain a lot of free traffic they dissect you until 95% of your free traffic is gone!

Sites are randomly disappearing for 2 month or longer even if they are on the top for years and come back to the top if lucky ( Seasonal Algo Changes )

Site titles are edited by Google based on DMOZ editors! ( who has control ) I thought I know my site better!

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There are webmasters here that need to know the algo procedure.

What algo procedure? Can you post it in a separate thread or send a sticky?

Now, some call it off topic, but since my new thread from May 31st is still on hold (!), lets put it again here.
First, if some people think that new changes are largely due to Google's business interests I don't see it off topic. If you know the motives it is much easier to explain something and play according to new rules.

Second, I don't think it is the case here.
Sure, the new corporate Google is different than before, but I see no real endangerment of the original "do no evil" spirit. I guess, according to their contract, the boys still have the last word.
Besides, Google has not experienced bad times yet. When the time comes, that will be real test for their policies.

What we see now, are temporary serps (why people don't believe the guy?) and any comments on it are futile at this moment, except maybe, why it lasts so long.

Regarding the forum postings, yes I agree, it is often moderated with a bias, but hey, you can always set up your own forum, can't you? ;)

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I, WE are still awaiting on GoogleGuy's response as to why were certain sites targeted! What are the commonalties shared by the targeted sites?

Well that one's for you to work out!


Oh? Apparently so.


You can't expext GoogleGuy to tell you, as that would defeat the object of the SPAM filter.

Why the hell not? That doesn't make any sense. How the hell is anyone supposed to "abide by any new guidelines" (if any), if they do not know what said guidlines ARE? Trial & error? Hit or miss? Waste time guessing, that could possibly end up doing even more damage? You mention SPAM filter, so are you saying that IS INDEED what's going on here? Can't be. Or if so, then this so called "spam filters" is HELPING spamming sites!

Talk (not publicly) with other members who have had problems, examine their URLs and try to spot a pattern.

That's what we HAVE been doing Pete and again, NO commonalities. Hence the understandable frustration...at least understandable by some.
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HUH?

Tropical Island, go ahead and make fun of the guy, but he's going to own the terms "micturate" and "insensate catharsis" in the SERPs. :-)

If you know the motives it is much easier to explain something and play according to new rules.

Activeco, just how do you propose to know Google's motives?

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japanese,

There are HTML GURU sites that are also in oblivion. Wild guesses is no way to adjust or to create a website.

Properly formed html is not a wild guess with any event...it is a matter of good practice. If it takes a bot 5 or more seconds to crawl a page because of trying to reconcile errors...I am certain this cannot help that page during a major algo change.

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Another thing Clint...
I admire hellebourne for asking for advise as to what steps she can take to remedy her situation...and the fact that she is not afraid to allow some us examine her source code.

Oh, and I have not? That's ALL I've BEEN doing!

Before you start making generalized assumptions that correctly formed html is not a valid reason for some sites taking a hit...you need to know that facts regarding her specific situation.

EXCUSE ME. Well I DO know them! I know her site! Now, let's cut with the bashing. Not a person here is NOT making "generalized assumptions". If you happen to have some FACTS then why not please share them with others so others won't have to make "generalized assumptions"?
Thank you.

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Activeco, just how do you propose to know Google's motives?

I don't know about Google's motives.
I was trying to justify the talk about it.

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True it a certain point. However, not all html syntax errors are fatal. Some are. Most of the time JS does not validate as it is not recommended by the W3C. Does not mean it will inhibit the crawl. My post to hellbourne concerned "fatal" errors as a bot sees it.

OldPro, can you please explain? Are you saying that JS could possibly be the cause of some removals? I added a JS shopping cart a couple of months back. But at the time and weeks after that I didn't see any G SERP's changes.
Thanks.

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Clint, Google's own AdSense code is Javascript, and was giving me false positive errors in the validation.

We are desperate, and hanging on to the frailest hope.

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GoogleGuy’s desiderative here is to micturate an insensate catharsis on behalf of google.


HUH?

Someone's having fun with their thesaurus :)

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I can translate but the WebmasterWorld filters would change it ;).
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I agree with a lot of what japanese said. I am not sandboxed but my primary site doesn't show up in the top 200 for any main keywords. I am in the top 10 for all of these keywords on both MSN and Yahoo. I spend over $2k a day advertising via Google AdWords. Do you think they are going to "correctly" rank me where I belong and risk losing that $2k a day in revenue? Hell no they aren't.

I know GG and others have said that paid ads have no relationship to natural SERPs, but I don't believe it. And no I'm not bitter, really I could care less. We make plenty of money because of Google, and we're happy about that. Sure we would probably make more if we were ranked in the top 10 where we belong and didn't have to spend so much on adwords, but we don't really care. It's just the idea of the whole thing that pisses me off.

By the way, has anyone noticed that the priot backlink update has been rolled back AGAIN? Ugh.

[edited by: limitup at 5:39 pm (utc) on June 3, 2005]

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micturate an insensate catharsis

Ah, just the poetry I've been longing for
amidst all the prosaic protuberating ...
:)

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clint and hellebourne.

It has nothing to do with JS!

It has everything to do with HTML!

such as...

Headers contained within <p>... close </i> or other tags preceding the <i> for example. Unclosed <p>, unclosed<font>, unclosed <h> , etc.

meta keywords tag containing a sentence and not comma delinated words which are mentioned in the body of the text.

meta keywords that are not mentioned anywhere in the body.

So on and so forth. When there are scores of this types of errors it DOES make a difference.

Come on....this is a very simple concept to grasp

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activeco,

"I don't know about Google's motives."
"I was trying to justify the talk about it."

Not knowing about googles motives is being naive. Are you afraid of airing your view?

Come on sir, the post I made about google could get me banned. If telling the truth results in being banned I'd rather be banned than shut up and abide by reticent rules of a taciturn dictator by burying my head in the sand.

Clint,

Your html is fine mate. All these guesses and unconfirmed possible fixes are a complete waste of time. Discussion is good and productive but bourbon has brought about the destruction of your website. You need a fix or be told by google that they no longer will rank your site. You will then know what to do. At the moment google feels too aloof from webmasters to aquisce with them. Google treats webmasters as scum of the earth. No guidelines and no warnings. ZERO apart from their debonair smooth talking representative that talks a lot but says nothing.

Drastic illnesses require drastic remedies. Google is responsible for the current pandoras box and the pandemic pestilence that has hit thousands of websites. The monoculture of a crop produces the monoculture of its pest. The internet has fostered the unstoppable google from determining if your site should exist or not. The only thing needed for your site to be ranking naturally amongst competition is the removal of the latest tweak in googles already overloaded algo with untold number of contradicting filters and anti-webmaster parameters.

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clint,

EXCUSE ME. Well I DO know them! I know her site! Now, let's cut with the bashing. Not a person here is NOT making "generalized assumptions". If you happen to have some FACTS then why not please share them with others so others won't have to make "generalized assumptions"?

Please quit being so sensitive. I have "bashed" no one. She has asked for help and I have corresponded with her in private out of respect. If you do have the facts about her website, you should have noticed these things. Many times people overlook the most simple and obvious things because of the propensity to over-complicate.

If your website has syntax errors, I would suggest you correct them also. Do not worry about JS, especially if you were given that code by google or your shopping cart to copy and paste into your code.

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[myself]
All the while, my RELEVANT site is getting trashed further and further into the bowels of cyberspace, along with my LIFE.
[/myself]

Google is trashing your life? Wow....time to find a new source of income and stop letting google trash you then.

Obviously you're one of the lucky ones that doesn't stand to lose anything. Easier said than done when you're 45 with medical problems that have you disabled including heart problems, and with a family.

[others quoted in webfusion's post]
Bring on the FTC.
Many of you are going to hate me for this but...
Any site that carries Google Adsense on the front page should never be allowed to list in the top 10 positions of any natural google listing. Seems to me this is a HUGE conflict of interest that Google can manipulate to its own ends just like so many other issues they currently sweep under the rug.

And what would the FTC say? You're not allowed to manipulate your own product? Give me a break...google doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. If they wanted to make the first 100 listings all adsense sites, they are perfectly within their right to do so. A company can do anything it wants to its product. The fact that so many people put their fiscal lives in google's hands is not their problem - it's yours.

Seems to me they are going head long into so many different media avenues they have become a marketing entity and therefore should be REGULATED based on market share similar to how AT&T was regulated at one time.

Apples and oranges. At & T was a M-O-N-O-P-O-L-Y, Google IS NOT.

The fact that they have the largest market share has to do with the fact that they built a better mousetrap, not the forced exclusion of competition. Anyone in the world is free to build a comptetior to google and steal their business, just as they did to altavista/yahoo etc.

Don't worry if the feds get involved the SEO game will still be afoot but this time there will be some set of rules a search engine must abide to be a search engine.

Yep...that's just what we need...rediculous government rules dictating the method in which a search engine can disply it's results. And who would be the judge of that? I amy have a vastly different set of criteria to what I consider relevant to a search than you do, and so will the next person.

If we're going to start recommending rediculous government intervention, shouldn't we also consider mandatory fines for search engine spamming. As well as making it a felony for someone to hijack a site and/or scrape a sites content. Where should we stop with your government intervention?

YAWN.

Maybe I'm crazy.
What's your take on this?

Yep. You're nuts.

Wow. I also don't think it's appropriate for you to call members here "nuts". You apparently either work for google or hold stock in them. If some outside source DID get involved, I this would probably not be happening. I'm all for the Gov't butting out of things, however some things DO need to be "regulated" or at least "overseen".

G may or may not be a monopoly by definition. Do they have "exclusive possession or control"? Yes to a point, and that is a "monopoly".

Yes, there SHOULD be "fines" for SE spamming, as also for "scraping" and "hijacking", why would someone deny that? That would certainly clean things up and help those of us with LEGIT websites.

The fact of the matter is they did build a better mousetrap, that is past tense--DID. No one will deny that they they HAD the best SE in existence, I LOVED it. However that is no longer the case as of May 21st. Their "mousetrap is broken" or least seriously flawed at this time. Hence the reason for this thread.

Anyone that searches for anything WANTS relevant results. Relevant results are just that; relevant results. If your definition of relevant results is link farms, affiliate sites, shopping directories, etc., etc., then I guess you really do have a "vastly different set of criteria" than others and you're happy now. Good for you...so then why are you here if you have not been affected?

Instead of bashing members' posts perhaps you can contribute something to this thread that will HELP those of us that have been victimized by this "update" (of which you are obviously not one. This update must have helped you. If so, good for you, but have some compassion and understanding for those that it is ruining). We are supposed to be HELPING and SUPPORTING each other here, and trying to find answers, not criticize each other.

Thank you.

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Oldpro, I grasp the concept - Clint asked, as I understand, if the javascript in his shopping cart is causing problems, because it raises "html error" flags.

Getting back on the update topic, I find that Yahoo's results continue to be superior to Google's.

If I were to guess why, it would be for 2 reasons.

The first is that Yahoo gives weight to the "allins" why Google doesn't, or doesn't in the case of a site it decides to penalize.

The second is that it seems much, much better handling multi-word search queries, perhaps because it takes word proximity in consideration.

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clint and hellebourne.
It has nothing to do with JS!

It has everything to do with HTML!

such as...

Headers contained within <p>... close </i> or other tags preceding the <i> for example. Unclosed <p>, unclosed<font>, unclosed <h> , etc.

meta keywords tag containing a sentence and not comma delinated words which are mentioned in the body of the text.

meta keywords that are not mentioned anywhere in the body.

So on and so forth. When there are scores of this types of errors it DOES make a difference.

Come on....this is a very simple concept to grasp


Ok thanks, I don't have any of these type errors. It's not YOUR concept as you put it that's hard to grasp. It's what is going on now. As many have stated, some sites now in top positions don't even HAVE metatags! Some only have just a title tag or just a descript tag, with none of what is in the title or descrip tag in the webpage body, nor with none of the keyword tag contents in the body. I would put many examples here but of course we can't put URL's in of sites in posts.
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I'm all for the Gov't butting out of things, however some things DO need to be "regulated" or at least "overseen".

A federal court has ruled that Google's rankings are "opinions" which are protected by the First Amendment. You can read the judge's comments at:

[research.yale.edu...]

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hellbourne,

It is very simple to validate if you have JS.

First, take out your JS.
2. instead of ftping the revised site to your server, use the "browse for files" located on your computer.

3. Run the validation for your html without the JS included.

4. Then go back and add your JS

5. ftp your revised file.

PS...you will need to declare your doctype...otherwise the validater will fall back to utf-8. start with html 3.2 and go from there. in the w3c website you can get the doctype codes and paste at the top of your page before your <html> tag.

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Well, hopefully cooler heads will prevail when I check posts again (my heart can't take anymore of this now). God bless us all, we need it. :)
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clint,

sites without meta tags will validate just as well as those that don't. just because no meta tags are present does not mean it is not properly written code.

My whole point of this does not relate to anyone except hellebourne and her dilimma. Examples of other sites doing well in the serps has nothing to do with her.

I repeat....I am not making a blanket generalization that everybody who has dropped in the serps go and frantically start tweaking their code.

However, for me I had a couple of <p> tags that were not closed. When bourbon started I dropped big time. Now I am back on the first page. Maybe this had nothing to do with my site making up lost ground...I don't know for sure.

In any event, one should always author code that validates.

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