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Then you have to explain the "backlinks" thingy.
The problem is not that I'm not ranking high because of a lack of backlinks...I'm not in the index *at all*...
I have a very uniquely-named site, with a very unique keyword title: that keyword doesn't show me in the index AT ALL.
Plus if I do an "allinurl:mydomain.com" I'm GONE.
It's almost like I've been penalized--but like I said my site is squeaky clean.
Peter
GG, if it is not an older index, what happened to everybodies backlinks?
It appears as though now links acquired over the last two months are showing up at all.
Whether internally generated from added content or externally generated from another site.
Have they just not been factored in yet?
I wonder if there has been some sort of gliche in the past crawl?
At present my home page has a PR3...that's what it started with when it appeared first in the SERPS.
I know there's at least 10 or so sites that link to me and that's how you found me.
But more to the point--You crawled 10,000 pages last month (April 19-23 or so) and I've been dropped from -sj results completely.
In addition...when I type my site title into Google I get a number of sites showing up in the SERPS that link to me or mention me...BUT I'M NOT THERE.
Peter
[edited by: Critter at 5:25 pm (utc) on May 5, 2003]
As far as my site is concerned...the missing pages all led from a site map within the site - that site map did not exist before last update (eg on an older index)
Is that a possible explanation?
Intrestingly - the pages that are listed also did not exist but did have a fresh visit just before the last update.
The strange thing is that beside of the homepage, the other page is a product overview page, just like about 100 other pages, with content, drawn from my product database.
Doing the same search for another of my sites yields 3 times as many results as on www.google.com. Looking closer at it, I noticed, that half of the pages result from an earlier misconfiguration of the subdomains, thus being duplicate content.
My first site was crawled last month, and I just hope that it will be in Google after the new update.
Please, Google! Review your algo! There are too many spammy results!
My poor widget preservation page has now disappeared completely with still hundreds of stores listed selling the widgets... that page is the only one on the net trying to preserve the widgets. Thankfully it's #2 in Ink.
Unless Google has become totally overwhelmed by incompetence, I would hope not. Google is actually selling Adwords to a company that for a fee promises to spam your competitors URL to guestbooks at the rate of 40 per second. And NO, I am not making that up. I have that guestbook spamming company site open in another browser window right now, and spamming guestbooks at the rate of 40 per second is an actual claim that they make. :( Google is actually profiting from selling Adwords to spammers. If they are penalizing for guestbook links, this would be clearly unethical.
Are you sure these sites with guestbook links are being penalized, or is it maybe that their guestbook links are no longer being counted? If a site was doing well before with 1,000 spammed guestbook links, and one legit link from the PR2 home page of the webmaster's girlfriend, then ignoring the guestbook links would be expected to cause the site to drop like a rock.
I'm not just whining, because I'm doing much better on SJ in other SERPs, even ones I've never considered. Overall I'm up, but I seriously question the quality of the results.
It does make me wonder if the SJ index is the result of algorithms that consider traditional anchor text/keyword density/headings/site structure SEO techniques as spam.
[edited by: Dolemite at 5:33 pm (utc) on May 5, 2003]
So my backlinks go up, you crawl over 5 times the pages on my site, then drop my site completely off the results.
Makes sense.
Peter
So this may be coincidence, but I let Google know about some spammy site which was actually below my own ....and I decend to the ranks of useless and their site is even higher now that I'm gone......
Moral don't send in a damn reports......or send in your own site and watch yourself rise....
This algo does not make any sense to me....if Google wants decent results then it needs to sort out what its trying to achieve....no offence meant but saying it's all been tested when the amount of posts on here prove it hasn't is just mad.
If your saying backlinks haven't been counted yet are we all going to rise back up to either where we were, or better ....I doubt it very much.....
Paid inclusion in Inktomi and others seems to the the way forward now I'm sad to say, and major spamming, buy domains optimise in the dozen and throw away each couple of months as even if you play by the rules it means jack.
This change is not just a minor one I've moved up and down over the last 12 months maybe page 1 to 2 and then back again but how can a site suddenly go to page 10 even though the first page is virtually still showing the same other sites in their except mine.....
Boy, this would be scary. What's left to base the algo on? And how long would it take to figure it out?
You need to start looking at the big picture. Your seeing a "movie trailer" here.
When GG wrote:
The other thing to bear in mind is that it's easy to re-sync something like backlinks or spam snapshots once you're convinced that an algorithm or method is an improvement.
...this is a clear indication the all that knowledge you have acquired and put to good use isn't being totally factored in.
As well all that "bad" stuff isn't in it as well.
This is a benchmark. A starting point.
... breathe... in through nose... out through mouth ;)
Critter, if it's the site listed in your profile, it looks like you only have 5-6 domains that link to your site. A few of those are forum links that might not have made it into the base of backlinks. Getting links from places like the Open Directory Project would help, for example.
5-6 domains should be plenty to at least get into the index! We're not talking about how high we're ranking - we're talking about having pages dropped completely.
Google...you have laid an egg.
Peter
The one that really kills me is the one that is nothing but a keyword stuffed redirect to a PPC engine.
This is a benchmark. A starting point.
But I don't hear GG saying that. I hear him saying there's nothing wrong with the sj results.
I think if your saying all the links in SJ datacenter have been factored, then there is a real problem.
You dropped half the sites linking to Yahoo as well as every other site I looked at including WW.
Pages for my site that where in the index last month are now gone.
Since it appears that based on what you said, the SJ datacenter is going to in fact be the model for the next update, can you at least put some minds at ease and say that NO, all the backlinks have not been factored or Yes they have and you get what you see.
GoogleGuy stated after that that they had already tested the new index and found it to be fine. Also said that the sj index is fresher than www and is already taking about the links that are showing (in Critter case)
This could be the best update ever after other factors are considered. Obviously there are some things missing, and G usually considers the opinions of the members of this board. Don't sell them so short. Go have a drink and give things a few days to settle down.
This could be the beginning of a great and new algo as soon as they throw the last ingredient in the "secret sauce"
>>This is a benchmark. A starting point.
>>But I don't hear GG saying that. I hear him saying >>there's nothing wrong with the sj results.
Probably because GG knows some things that we don't.
RELAX!
[edited by: stuntdubl at 5:42 pm (utc) on May 5, 2003]
I am closely watching the changes in sj and in the regular index. One thing which absolutely is making alarm bells ring is the fact that a while ago there were many topics about using expired domains.. and how they were wiped out of google.
Now with this sj 'update', they all seem back again.. So I am not sure, it seems that Google in fact like's spammy sites...?
Istvan
Just like talking to the television :)
Oh well all I can do is wait and see
[edited by: GoogleGuy at 5:40 pm (utc) on May 5, 2003]
Well, this really is intriguing.
This sentence has nothing to do with the current www-sj situation of course, but it's often been suggested that if Google didn't update for a few months the Fresh listings would be good enough for 99% of non-webmaster users - I'd be interested to see that idea tested...
