Update Dominic - Part 2

[teeceo]

Continued from Part 1: [webmasterworld.com...]

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Thanks to google for letting us peek into there database( they could very easy close that door to us)and a thanks to googleguy for "DONATING" his time to answer question(that he don't have to) and for keeping thing here (somewhat) calm. Also, thanks to all that work so hard to keep this forum going strong(I for one don't know how I would get along without it:). I could go on and on but, thats all I will say. Later.

teeceo.

[mil2k]

nopes it's 361K for me. But am seeing different results for some keywords on 5 datacentres. HTH

[davewray]

A previous poster said he had more pages indexed in sj..? I went from having 79 pages indexed last update to only having my one index page in sj! ( I have a very new site )

[jrobbio]

So far to me it seems that they have purposely included old spam results in the sj results as a way of testing some new filters.. (something we have been told about)

I can't see this being too far fetched from the truth Daarsie. I see the logic in it and the reasons for it too.

As for the suggestion that a selection of datacentres would hold freshie results and the imminent release of a "one the fly" PR change then there obviously has to be changes made to the current infrastructure for it to work or the increased load will be phenomenal.

My tip is to try and spot when and if the Google toolbar changes version.

[NazaretH]

Gee. We had over 8,000 pages in Google and that sj server shows only 700. Nothing good here.

[giggle]

Mixed feelings about -sj here.

One site went from 1200+ backlinks to 450, the other went from 650+ to 920.

Swings and roundabouts like everyone else.

[shaadi]

For some searches I see the SERPs of www-sj. and later after 20-30 mins back to www. on the main SERPs :-¦

Also I see drop and gain of positions for my keywords -every now and then.

Anyone?

[Jakpot]

'round and 'round the mulberry bush.
And so it goes.

[mfishy]

I guess what I gather from GG's coments is that they are, indeed. testing a new algo on sj that we may see soon. When the update occurs they will use this algo with the NEW backlinks from the past deepcrawl. Also, they will apply spam filters.

Now I just have to figure out what this new algo is all about :)

[WebMistress]

THe sj-results show the same exact backlinks from January update...coinkydink? I think not. I don't think these are any new results based on a new algo with my backlinks being exactly what they were in January, my first index. My backlinks have tripled since then. Not sure why they are using January update backlinks with newly cached pages. But I don't think this is a sign of what the update will look like at all.

[steveb]

Maybe I'm being thick here but I just noticed that in the past if it said 36 links it would always show 18. Always half.

Now on -sj it might say 16 links, and show them all (or maybe 15 or 14).

Are people seeing that? Backlink numbers no longer being doubled?

[NuffRespect]

I've got a sinking feeling that the serp's on www-sj.google.com is the new update. I've just checked my keywords and google.co.uk and google.com and the serp's are exactly the same as in sj.

[Stefan]

I wouldn't worry too much NuffRespect. It appears that they're using an old index that includes fresh results to test a new algo.

I've been wondering if -sj is not a bit screwed up on purpose, with a mixture of an old database and new to keep us from finding out too much about this special sauce

Powdork had it in that post, I bet, except it might just be freshbot additions to the old index with nothing from the most recent deepbot. I doubt if it's what we'll see in the next update.

Of course, I might be totally wrong. :)

[adsoft13]

this thread is going to be really big ;)

As for the results on -sj . I have 2 comments:
1) Google tries to eliminate "buy PRs" as in my industry there are about 5 sites, which does this thing or similar: on -sj 4 of them are just nowhere ...
2) Or this server shows just part of the backlinks ... so they test it on the part, not the whole.

Number 2 couldn't be 100% true as the cash of these sites is good - it has these links ... so it is just strange.

If number 1 is true - then the algo need to be much more accurate and updated. I also see one of our biggest competitor (in fact it was #2 for wingets for about 5 months) also disappear (now it is ~ #500). And he just has a lot of links from other sites, and they are related, not bought. They are not hidden, and seen very well on all pages, and these sites are related by theme ... This situation is OK for me personally ;) but I afraid of such changes, which moves away good companies without any reason ... - just because the algo is not very good. :(

[shaadi]

I've got a sinking feeling that the serp's on www-sj.google.com is the new update.

[Onza]

I was just on the phone to a client and wanted to point out an interesting result to him.. when all the -sj results appeared in the serps. horror!

the serps appeared on Google.ch, they match the -sj exactly. Really hope this is not it, the results are not relevant. Some excellent results for my client, but overall just not "Google Standard".

[Onza]

Lasted about twenty minutes, now the results are back to normal. Guess I can ring my client again then.. :-)

[edneil]

I'm now seeing the -sj serps on .com for the first time.

If this is what the general public are seeing then it is an update of sorts (as in - 'the results have updated')

Lets hope the official update is just as dramatic in reverse if and when it comes.

[HenryUK]

For anyone who is convinced that sj represents the forthcoming update, I would pose a question.

I previously had more that one domain pointing at the same site. Following the great advice I got here, I organised 301 redirects on the outdated domain names. As a result, got my main site unbanned, went up PR1 as backlinks were combined etc etc. And the old domains disappeared from SERPS (they had had pages indexed).

So, I cleaned up my act - good for me, good for Google and good for users.

SJ results are showing thousands of pages from those outdated domains - obviously a backward step. There's no way that they would be reincluded on the real update.

The question is - why would they include results that they have been encouraging us to remove?

I say, let them fiddle around, it's clearly some testing. To those who say they shouldn't test in public, well, clearly they are testing something that they can't test in any other way.

Seems obvious enough to me.

[danny]

Why not just take sj offline so it can't be publicly seen?

Because the whole point is to see if it generates more complaints or not! It's all very well for SEOs or Google employees to speculate about what is or is not spam, or the relative value to end users of different pages, but there's only one way to test different algorithms/SERPs on real end users...

I think Google will be watching the "Dissatisfied with your search results" feedback very closely, and analysing how it differs on results generated by the -sj data centre.

[Harley_m]

i dread to think what this forum will be like when google do start really testing out continuously updating indexes, contstant spidering ect - can you imagine all the posts that we will get...

the same rule applies as every other time panic starts to set in - wait - and it will be fine - it always always is - and no number of threads and posts makes the damnedest difference...

end of rant :)

Harley

[mrguy]

Well,

Whatever the -SJ is, it sucks that is spilling over to the www datacenter.

Losting 3/4 of your backlinks really puts damper on your attitude first thing on a Monday morning.

[vitaplease]

i dread to think what this forum will be like when google do start really testing out continuously updating indexes, contstant spidering ect - can you imagine all the posts that we will get...

Yeah, continous testing datacenter(s), the normal updates and now, the (up)coming hidden text/links one month penalty.
More interesting and more difficult.

[skipfactor]

link:www.yahoo.com = 384,000 on www.google.com

I'm seeing this sporadically coconutz...

[mrbrad]

One thing I have noticed is that -sj appears to be penailzing sites that have alot of links in guestbooks.

[mfishy]

I am also seeing the Yahoo backlinks flux on .com. Used to be this signaled an update :)

[Critter]

So this is a look at the update then? Have we had that confirmed? GG has been deliberately vague on this matter and that's what's driving ppl crazy.

For goodness sakes, it's not nice to reveal something (make it publicly accessible) and then skirt the issue on what it is and let everyone stew in their own juices.

I'm with the "OMG" crowd if this is the new index, because my site is *nowhere* to be found in sj-, after having 10K pages crawled in April.

GG, can you confirm please? We don't need to know what sj- is specifically--a gentle "Yes" or "No" on whether sj- is the update will suffice.

Peter

[skipfactor]

>>Used to be this signaled an update :)

LOL, nobody wants to call this one. Happy Cinco de Mayo everyone!

[futureX]

the sj thing is a glimpse into the future, it is truly only a test, where google got old data and mixed it up with new data to see what would happen. But no-one should really take and of the ranks into consideration, as its not going to be the database they use for the next update and i doubt they will even implement any new algos for a few months.

It would be nice if they kept doing this however as its nice to see waht pages on my site get indexed before the big update, and its refreshing to see that a search for my new "sitename" has gone from 150 instances to 700 :) But yet again, i have taken it with a pinch of salt.

[needinfo]

Totally agree Critter . I don't want to know any secrets I would just like to know in non cryptic form if the sj results are the start of the update.
Come on GG please, especially considering how long this debate has gone on.

[mrbrad]

This whole debate over -sj highlights one important life lesson, I feel:

Google owns your #1 ranking ... not you.
Earning your living based on your #1 ranking is a risky business.
Your site can dissapear without warning and the only person you have to cry to is yourself.

Im glad this -sj thing happened ... its a wake up call to all of us.