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Besides the fact that some of the results are complete irrelevant nonsense, the data, in some cases is months old.
They are certainly rewarding the banned spammers that are now in SJ by sending them traffic from the live .com
If they are testing a new algo over there it must not consider Page Rank, Link Pop, Title, Relevant Content....
Well I've seen GoogleGuy address specific site problems. Stuff like, "I know you have a clean site, I'll look into it." Not to mention his spam work on individual reports.
Unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen any smaller SE reps on the respective forums here tackling specific issues.
He said it may take a bit to track it down; maybe he's scratching his head too.
I dont think that Joe Surfer would have complaints about quality control - but it does seem to be a strange mix of new and old (and missing perhaps)
GG has stuck around and has been incredibly helpful and responsive. Although, of course, without the fantastic members and mods on here none of this would be possible. :) Okay, so we're not getting any answers on the SJ thing, but I'm sure GG will trip the guy up tomorrow as he's walking along with Duck L'orange on his tray and make him spill the beans for us ;)
Sure, one of my sites has dropped totally off the planet with certain keywords on SJ, but until SJ is PERMANENTLY on the main index I'm not going to panic.... much..... shake...shake....quiver...wibble
Do you let your competitors know what your future plans are? No, you hit them with as much "element-of-surprise" as you can muster.
Read through a few recent update threads & you'll see a Google rep who does care about Webmasters.
BZZZZZZZZZT. Wrong. For every site that goes down in the SERPs, one moves up. The net satisfaction of webmasters with Google is a constant. Think. All those webmasters who hit #1 in the SERPs with that algo change liked it. The open question is what the surfers thought about the change? Their satisfaction isn't a constant. They can just quit using Google. Has Google's market share dropped like a rock since September?
I am looking at a keyword that I compete in somewhat, though not my biggest but important.
#3: Link with no description
#4: Decent result
#5: Previously banned site with hidden text
#6: Contact page for a PR 2 site (tripod homepage)
#7: The actual manufacturers site- Usually #1
#8: Link Directory PR 1 with over 200 links and no content
#10: Dead Link
I have also seen in other area many of the biggest spammers back in the game.
My most important keyowrd I rank #1 instead of #2 in Sj but it shows a bunch of backlinks that I lost months ago.
P.S. "google doesn't care about its webmasters" I guess thats why they let gg come in here and answer some of are questions and if i'm not mistaken, didn't they go to the boston tea party a week ago? Also, where is yahooguy, inkguy, msnguy, askguy, overtureguy, or even(gulp)dmozguy? Yea, I haven't hearnd of them either, thats my point. Late thing, thank god for google,googlebots and even you googleguy:).
I think -sj is mainly old data, with newer data sprinkled in; and some spam algos switched off. It might be a way of checking that what they are doing on other servers is correct.
At the moment I'm more interested to see the wacky results on www that aren't the same as www2, www3, or www-ex, but neither are they from www-sj.
>> Also, where is ...., or even(gulp)dmozguy? Yea, I haven't heard of them either <<
Hmm, you won't hear from dmoz staff, all one of them; but you do frequently hear from at least a dozen metas and editalls, and a couple of dozen regular editors as well. However, none of those speak officially on behalf of the ODP.
Late thing, thank god for google,googlebots and even you googleguy:).
Myself, I'm glad Yahoo will be using Ink results eventually, I hope Nutch amounts to something, and I wish all the SE's well. Google is a little too big for my liking, even though it's a very good SE and I do well in it.
edit: to limit the damage I might do when this gets read by the powers that be
[edited by: Stefan at 12:44 am (utc) on May 5, 2003]
I sometimes have to skip on questions that go deeply into the internals of scoring and indexing. That shouldn't be a big surprise--I can give advice about how to structure sites and answer lots of questions, but it's not my place to talk too much about things that veer way into the "secret sauce." I wouldn't be surprised if several SJ-related questions fall into that category, at least for now. Does that make sense?