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Google December 2002 Update!

         

ihadtoregister

2:46 pm on Jan 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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STARTED!

bsand715

5:22 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That is what google2 shows 33 0f first 34 results

zeus

5:23 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well it looks like this update is the quickest yet, some of the results are setteling in www now.

zeus

northweb

5:26 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I noticed that my site has crawled up to 8th position in www2 and www3 but www mysite is not showing up. Will my site finish as shown in www2 and www3?

zeus

5:27 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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northweb, mostly the results you see in www2 - www3 is the end results

zeus

northweb

5:28 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Zeus.

gsmitchell

5:53 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It looks like www-ab and www.ex are done updating. Still waiting on the others

wruk999

6:09 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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how long will it be until the new results filter through to localised "Googles" for example: google.co.uk and google.ie?

especially when the search is: " Search pages from the UK only" .

Anyone any ideas?

zeus

6:30 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I do get some new results on my german site from Google.de, so I think they on the move right now to UK.

zeus

mfishy

6:33 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This seems to be a very stable update. Usually results will jump around a bit for a few days on www2 and 3 but this time it has stayed the same for the terms I keep track of.

robertito62

6:39 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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is it possible that G indexes a 'home page' but none of the inner pages?

www.widgets.com,

shows up in wwww2 and www3

But

www.widgets.com/blackwidgets.html

doesn't.

Home page has a link to /sitemap.html, which has listed all the inner pages.

Has anybody experienced this before?

gsmitchell

6:39 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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googleguy,
Can you tell me why my site has completely dropped off the face of the earth? Nothing has been done to the site and since this new update I cannot find it anywhere.

Thanks

GoogleGuy

6:41 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I slept through the whole dmoz discussion, but I'm sure people will read through the messages. My impression is that it's tough to keep commercial areas very high-quality when volunteers have limited time, but that the non-commercial parts of dmoz are really good.

zeus

7:17 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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robertito62 sometimes if it is the first time you site are in Google it just index the main page and then at the next update all your inner page will be there to.

zeus

iamjoe

7:24 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Zeus,

What if your site was already in google with pages listed then all you were left with after this update was just the index page ie: [foobar.com...] but [foobar.com...] doesnt show up?

The site is setup so that it leads from the index to inner pages which leads to more inner pages.

gopi

7:32 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well Said GG ... DMOZ is not perfect but its THE BEST Directory we have :) ...there are number of ways to improve DMOZ like putting paid editors for commercial categories etc

Does Google has any plans to support Dmoz financially or in other ways...I personally think that Google has to return something back to Dmoz

weblamer2

7:35 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This must be a mild update.. I don't see anyone screaming their head off like on the last update...

gsmitchell

7:38 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy,

This maybe a little off topic, but when Google does an update, does the update also update Froogle?

Thanks

rfgdxm1

7:46 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Well, I slept through the whole dmoz discussion, but I'm sure people will read through the messages. My impression is that it's tough to keep commercial areas very high-quality when volunteers have limited time, but that the non-commercial parts of dmoz are really good.

GoogleGuy, I am the editor of the Health/Addictions/Substance_Abuse branch of the ODP, and because subcats that list drug treatment centers and counseling service lack an editor, responsibility of that devolves to me. Are you saying I suck as an ODP editor? :( ;) I will concede that having to edit commercial cats that tend to attract lots of spammy affiliate sites submitting is a much more difficult task, and weeding that out is difficult. Also, you are wrong about things necessarily being that the non-commercial parts of dmoz necessarily being really good. A *lot* depends if the branch in question is one that attracts competent editors. I was dealing with unrevieweds in that substance abuse branch that were up to 2 years old (most in non-commercial cats) because that branch didn't have an editor for a long time. I've actually got another window open as I am typing this to my ODP editor screen and dealing with a few greens that came in in that drug treatment centers and counseling service branch in the last few days and reviewing them. There are commercial areas of the ODP without backlogs. However, I concede that there are a lot of commercial cats in the ODP that have a huge backlogs of greens, and mine aren't necessarily typical.

diggle

7:57 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google Guy,

I took your advice last night and reported the mega-spammer to Google - again...
Might just be reading between the lines of what you were saying but I got a feeling from your posts that something might happen this time (as opposed to all the other times...)They must have doubled the staff to 2 guys eh?!
I'll keep you informed. You bet ;) ;) ;)

europeforvisitors

8:02 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



DMOZ is not perfect but its THE BEST Directory we have

Nope. It may be the largest, but that doesn't make it the best. What's "best" depends on:

- The topic. (DMOZ may be strong in some areas, but it's very, very weak in others.)

- Whether you're looking for a data dump (sites that meet minimum guidelines for inclusion) or a directory compiled by professional editors who use quality as a factor in determining whether to list sites.

- What credentials you expect the directory's editors to have. (Lii.org, for example, is compiled by librarians, so other librarians are likely to trust it more than they might trust the ODP or Yahoo.)

- Whether a specialized directory is available for the topic you're searching on. (For many topics, specialized directories and links lists on mom-and-pop sites have far more comprehensive listings than you'll find in DMOZ or Yahoo.)

As for DMOZ, I think it's fair to say that it would be a better directory if Google had never been invented, if only because it wouldn't be flooded by spam from e-commerce sites and affiliate sites that need PageRank from DMOZ. Maybe Google should do itself and DMOZ a favor by ignoring PageRank from DMOZ listings. :-)

rshea

8:08 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,
I'm new here and a little confused about when pagerank is updated and when a deep crawl is done. I see posts referring to a deep crawl after the 'dance'. I thought the dance was the deep crawl? Or is it merely the global pagerank update in response to last months deep crawl? I put up one site about 3 weeks ago which has a grey bar in the Google toolbar. Will I have to wait until next months dance to see any meaningful pagerank?

Thanks!

Rick

SlyOldDog

8:10 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DISASTER!

Did GoogleGuy say they are testing automatic checking for hidden text?

We have a white background, blue tables and white text. Do you think Google will be smart enough to see the text is not hidden?

I wouldn't bet on it :(

figment88

8:19 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Even if they do increase automatic checking of hidden text that doesn't mean that the assigned penalties have to be automatic.

Makes most sense to me to
1) have an algoritm mark pages that have hidden text
2) have a human check the positives
3) impose severe penalties on sites using hidden text
4) webmasters will remove identified hidden text in short order
5) increase the complexity of the algorithm to catch more exotic types of hidden text

iterate

rfgdxm1

8:23 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Nope. It may be the largest, but that doesn't make it the best.

How about "best directory overall"? I'll definitely concede in some niche areas there are better directories than the ODP.

freejung

8:28 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi rshea welcome to WW.

The "dance" is the pagerank update resulting from last month's deep crawl, or perhaps even the month before. The standard dogma is that it takes two months for what you do now to take effect. I put up a new site at the beginning of Nov., was indexed with PR0 in the November update, now received PR4 at this update. Patience. ;)

<added>It really helps to have good links. I have a link to my new site from the homepage of a PR5 site, so freshbot likes me and I was indexed rapidly. Don't expect this kind of results unless you have a high PR sponsor.</added>

Stefan

8:45 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For the past 7 minutes www.google.ca and google.com are giving a "page cannot be displayed". www2 and www3 are there fine. Maybe someone took a bad result a little too seriously and retaliated? :-)

przero2

8:59 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)



Take it easy, Stefan!.

I don't think Google's search infrastructure that powers millions of searches worldwide is so easy for an attack/hack as they have a lot of redundancy on servers/network/data centers.

That being said, there may be minor/brief tech glitches (human errors) from time to time;)

Stefan

9:03 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks przero2.
It just came back. I figured it was probably something wonky happening with my computer... was wondering if anyone else was seeing it.

princess

9:07 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone know how long it takes for things to be completely done with it's crawl? I have one page that's already been done, but another that's showing cached info from before.

FrenchGuy

9:09 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think it has passed over to www now. Or perhaps just for a while?
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