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2:46 pm on Jan 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i'm seeing boosts for domain names with keywords...boost for .coms and .nets over other extensions.....reduction in weight for internal links.....
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May be a mistake about cutting down keyword density. A mediocre page is beating mine on a SERP because my density on that keyword isn't 21% like theirs is.

I commiserate.

DWD in the top ten for my search term ranges from 0.97% to 9.42% (using keyword density dot com). I'm at 4.03%, which seems reasonable. There are three sites above me with a KWD very close to that -- and they all have lower PR (6 compared to my 7) and considerably fewer backlinks.

I'm still puzzling about what I have to do to get Google to give my site the recognition I think it deserves. Last month a number of people suggested cutting KWD. I also added a lot of new content. No joy so far, but the update is yet young.

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From position #183, to #38 for my main target phrase, and from too far down to find to #58 for my second.

17 indexed pages to 1,670.

Life is good! This update may have been worth the wait, for me at least.

I discovered is forum after I was last crawled, so next month I may be able to do even better.

Hope other are happy with the results as well!

Are these results going to "gel", or are there still major changes in store before the dance comes to a close? This is the first dance I have paid any attention to, so this is new to me.

-Pete

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sorry about that - many posters, many readers, many editors, 1 moderator, and one admin were manipulating the post at the same time - the system got confused momentarily.
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as far i can see....keywords up to %30 are fine with google.....i see pleant of number ones with 30% but nothing over that.
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>i'm seeing boosts for domain names with keywords...boost for .coms and .nets over other extensions.....reduction in weight for internal links.....

I'm doing well an some SERPs with a non-commercial site that is a .ws. My guess is the only reason the .coms and .nets seem to do better is that they tend to be owned by high powered people with better SEO and links.

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would someone be so nice and answer my question:
Are those results now shown on www2 all results or can there be even more ...

Thanks :)

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I cant really make any judgements for now, my PR is jumping around like a rabbit on heat!

But I have held all my number ones for my index pages and internal pages for now.

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Appears something is up with the value of an ODP link or atleast in the listing. All those I've checked, have listed the odp listed page first on queries.
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as far i can see....keywords up to %30 are fine with google.....i see pleant of number ones with 30% but nothing over that.

I'd love to see an example of that. Can you sticky me?

A page where one in three words is the keyword must look ultra-spammy.

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>as far i can see....keywords up to %30 are fine with google...

Keyword stuffing seems to work well this month with Google.

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Yeah, sticky that to the spam report form too. ;) Less than 50 posts in an hour and a half. Hmmm, maybe people are sleeping off New Year's celebrations. :)
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I woke up at 2 in the afternoon expecting at least 100 posts or so :)

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If I add new content, tweak the existing pages etc will the post-update results be according to the new versions?
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is there anybody out there who can answer my question #39?

I haven't been able to work out what your question means. Perhaps you could rephrase it?

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Some up, Some down. Did Google manage to get the latest dump from Dmoz working in time?
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Danielo21

probably the (your) results you see in www2 and www3 will not get more

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Danielo21 that's not rephrasing it, that's repeating it.

We don't know what you mean! ;)

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Ah okay. Thanks :)

I am wondering because there were some backlinks from site after the nov update and they are now gone, but the sites do still exist ...

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>Yeah, sticky that to the spam report form too.

To be honest Googleguy, these people *didn't* do anything to try and trick Google. I have even exchanged e-mails with the people who run this site. I doubt they have a clue about SEO. Their intent is pure; this is another drug use harm reduction site. It is just whoever wrote that page by sheer accident went over 20% on KWD. They just beat me inadvertantly by having one page on their site about the topic that my entire site is about. This had nothing to do with malice or design. Just by sheer luck they managed to do very well at Google, because the Google algo likes huge KWD.

>Less than 50 posts in an hour and a half. Hmmm, maybe people are sleeping off New Year's celebrations.

Yep. Google took advantage of the fact that many webmasters were still in an alcohol induced coma and updated at that moment. ;)

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Re the 30% kw density:

I have 7 pages that are a database listing geographical coords for caves, (I hope this is ok for TOS webmasterworld, if not tell me and I'll edit it to widgets), i.e. a*** cave, b*** cave, ... there are over 1100 entries, about 40% with cave on them, and if I tried to remove "cave" it would be a nightmare. I hope it doesn't flag a spam filter. GG, any chance of telling me if this is ok?

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Danielo21, you can assume that we see all sorts of links when we crawl. We don't report all of them, but they all get used in our crawl and scoring.

As far as flux--a lot of things can happen between the start of an index switchover and the end. I often recommend that people go out and do other things for a few days. :)

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Danielo21,

It may be that the PR of some pages has fallen below 4 and so the backlinks don't show up on a search even if they still exist.

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I often recommend that people go out and do other things for a few days.

You love to watch us squirm though :)

Craig

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Stefan, rfgdxm1, people who thing that lots of keyword density really help them are welcome to think that. I don't think it helps that much. I wouldn't worry Stefan.

rfgdxm1, we stayed on a holiday update schedule for a while, but there's precious few holidays late in the next few months. If anyone wants to suggest holidays from around that world, that would be fun. :)

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wow, googleguy has answered me. i am so happy :)

Thanks googleguy and a happy new year.

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Many thanks GG.
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"Thanks googleguy and a happy new year."

its kind of like following a religion blindly for all your life on pure faith ..and then god walks up to you one day on the street and says hi!

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Hey guys.. great board you've setup here.. I am not alone in the google update madness! :)

Question: My site is going through it's first major google update.. it has only experience the everflux since it's release late Nov. I want to know why google is using its DEC 2, 2002 cache copy of my page? Is it normal to go so far back and not use a more recent cached visit? :(

Please share some insight into this process please.

Thanks again!

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It is just whoever wrote that page by sheer accident went over 20% on KWD.

I wonder if you're using SEW's KWD tool. It grossly inflates KWD (or a least it did when I last used it). It tells me my KWD is 20% when a hand count shows it to be more like 4%. The problem seems to be that it undercalculates how many words there are -- and so the apparent KWD soars.

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