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That does sound a little strange, you say that all your pages was indexed before this update and now only the index page. Have you made a search in Google www3 for site:www.yourdomain.com "main keyword" or have you seen the www3 - www2.
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How about "best directory overall"? I'll definitely concede in some niche areas there are better directories than the ODP.
I wouldn't go that far, and in any case, "best" is a very subjective judgement whether or not you append the word "overall."
I do think Google should ditch the Google Directory, continue to crawl DMOZ as it would any other major site, and use DMOZ descriptions to supplement its "snippets" as it's doing now. This would allow Google to make good use of DMOZ without putting its brand name on a product that it doesn't control.
Sounds to me like you are seeing the results of freshbot activity. The same thing happened to me last month, I have a new site which I put up in the beginning of Nov. I was crawled a lot by freshbot, and right before the update I was something like #3 for my best keyphrase. Then the update happened, and I was buried in the SERPs, not even top 100. This was because, right before the update, G was using my fresh ranking. Fresh pages appear to get an assumed PR, which is often much higher than the actual PR. After the update, I was given my actual, non-fresh ranking of PR0 (since G hadn't found any of my links).
Don't worry, if you have the same results as me, freshbot will be back in a few days and your fresh rankings will be better than ever. Next update expect a change for the better in your perminant listing, but in the mean time, make sure to update your pages often to keep freshbot happy.
The ODP is free, and Google likely doesn't want to pay to run their own directory. However, I would encourages Google to consider actually spending some money for additional ODP staff.
The ODP is free, and Google likely doesn't want to pay to run their own directory.
Does Google really need a directory? I wonder how many people actually use it.
However, I would encourages Google to consider actually spending some money for additional ODP staff.
The ODP is owned by AOL TIme Warner (via its Netscape subsidiary), so isn't that AOL TW's job?
[edited by: Marcia at 11:58 pm (utc) on Jan. 2, 2003]
[edit reason] fixed formatting [/edit]
Possibly quite a few, because if a site is in the directory, a link to that directory category appears in the SERPs.
>The ODP is owned by AOL TIme Warner (via its Netscape subsidiary), so isn't that AOL TW's job?
And, since the ODP ain't a moneymaker, why refuse Google becoming a partner?
europeforvisitors message seems to have done something
Everyone is saying the index is over.. my question is, does this mean the positions are set for now (not counting new cached versions that will appear), or is PR still to be factored in. I read on one of the posts that PR isn't calculated till the end.
My site jumped from 'not ranked' to PR6, and yet it has only gone up a few spots on my preferred keyword phrase (and that's on the 18th page!). Will this increase any more, or should I just start looking at optimizing the pages for the next freshbot visit? NOTE: I'm not too concerned about that keyword phrase, just if it starts working it would be great!
I think by Monday it will have settled down.
Tim
Chris
[swept the dat files etc and did a restart... it's there now, maybe just Gates and his dodgy o/s]
[edited by: Stefan at 1:46 am (utc) on Jan. 3, 2003]
:)I won't get excited about the results until at least 6 of the 7 are compelted with updates... though all results so far have been consistent from server to server.
Wouldn't it be nice, if google let people know when it ended?
Maybe by changing the number in
Searching 3,083,324,652 web pages
Or is the dance not that binary? Is there an 'everdance'?
[first dance that I follow, so excuse if this has been covered]
Tens of millions. Most people don't seem to understand the value of the directory. It's not a place for separate searching. It's a place where humans organize and value quality content sites, which then a *search engine* uses (and puts value one).
The DMOZ and/or Google directories could be completely hidden from the public and still be the most important entity on the Internet, bar none. Millions and millions of people in effect use it when they search. That is a directory's value, in this day and age.
Search and the Internet are getting more complicated -- see threads on affiliates and little guys and Froogle, etc. A human edited directory(ies) is becoming exponentially more important in helping to sort out quality for a search engine to deliver to users.
If Google is as smart as I think they are, they will recognize that and snap up DMOZ and tightly integrate with it within the year.
I was just kidding with you GG. ;) And, as an ODP of some very large cat space, which includes a number of commercial cats, I can testify that commercial cats are harder to edit. Some people do try to spam those. And, my commercial cats tend to be the least spammy of those in the ODP. I'd suspect a large portion, probably most, of the 1.1 million greens at the ODP are just spam. The problem as an ODP editor is that you have to slog through and delete the spam to get to the legit sites. :( This can take a lot of time. So much so I'd suspect a lot of the spammy commercial cats don't have direct editors, and the editors higher up the tree tend to give these lowest priority. I myself wasn't much interested in the commercial cats I do have. It was just easier to deal with them also by applying far higher up the tree then to apply to the dozens of non-commercial cats one by one. Slogging through spam is by no means fun.
I suppose it's possible that I'm the unknowing victim of a Google penalty, but that seems unlikely since the articles don't do anything tricky and were published with my standard editorial template.
If anyone wants to see what I'm talking about, just look at the URL in my profile and then click on the German resort name on my home page. (The related article on the German mountain, which is linked to in the annotation, is the article that was published somewhat earlier and is PR5.)
[edited by: europeforvisitors at 4:08 am (utc) on Jan. 3, 2003]
Directories are useful for finding related sites that tend to do poorly on search engines because they are not well optimized. They tend to be most useful for non-commercial topics.
