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2:46 pm on Jan 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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bccmean that things could change somewhat drastically perhpas between now and the end?
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I check my sites out with the google dance tool. It shows in www,www2,3 position 3 under my main 2 keywords. When I check all 7 datacenters it shows only 2 with position #3.

any ideas where i will finish.

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<<Stefan, rfgdxm1, people who thing that lots of keyword density really help them are welcome to think that. I don't think it helps that much. I wouldn't worry Stefan.>>

I'll concede that this isn't everything. I was confused by a buggy keyword density analyzer. However, if you add to KWD also having the keyword in the domain name, or second best the URL, it does seem to help quite a bit.

I'm sure KWD has an effect. What GG was pointing out is that it's incorrect to think that the higher your KWD, the better your ranking will be. It's likely that there is some kind of bell curve, and the further you get from the sweet spot -- in either direction -- the worse it is for you.

I haven't confirmed this by experiment, but a site above mine with unusually high KWD ranks lower than I would expect given its PR. Mind you, so does mine, and I have a KWD that's average for my top 10.

I hope europeforvisitors is correct, and that good content is all it takes, but that hasn't been working out for me and so I'm experimenting with various factors (including KWD) to find why sites with less relevant content and lower PR are ranking above mine.

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Europeforvisitors said:

<<Bottom line: When Google says "Do what's natural," it's reasonable to assume that Google has ways to measure what's natural and what's phony.>>

I hope they do have such methods in place, and it would be nice if they put them to better use. I still see a lot of high-ranking pages (highly competitive categories with hundreds of thousands or millions of results returned) where the snippets show nonsense keyword-stuffed text. Even Shakespeare can write better than that. ;) Things will improve over time, I would guess.

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healthgal,
same with me.
I don`t know?
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Holidays for Google Update:

St. Joan of Arc Day (5/30): saint who ended the Hundred Years' War

Walpurgisnacht Walpurgis Night April 30

Johannistag St. John the Baptist's Day June 24

Oktoberfest -- that would really put us over the edge - it is a two-week celebration.

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Just checked my stats and was amazed I was already getting traffic from my new pages. (Pages created between last Google update and my last deep crawl.)

Checked Google and found all all my new pages now in www and uk.co.

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Two weeks for Oktoberfest! Now that would be a holiday. :)
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My concern was that there might be a penalty for too many of the same word, something that's unavoidable for me. The site is obscure so I'm already #1 on most kw's, with a pr of 6, despite only getting it started in mid-sept. I'd hate to get caught in a spam filter of some sort and suddenly disappear. GG's reassurance was very welcome.

It looks like my pr 6 is a bit higher today, I've moved up in the directory.

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I am not seeing any differences in the serp's for any terms. This is comparing google.com to both www2, and www3 serp's. I have even used random search phrases, and other common searches and the results are identical.

Anyone have any idea why I am seeing this?

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Bastille Day is badly placed (July 14th) but might be appropriate.
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Checked Google and found all all my new pages now in www and uk.co.

Gone again! Back to square one! If I didn't have the evidence of the stats I would think I imagined it.

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>I hope they do have such methods in place, and it would be nice if they put them to better use. I still see a lot of high-ranking pages (highly competitive categories with hundreds of thousands or millions of results returned) where the snippets show nonsense keyword-stuffed text. Even Shakespeare can write better than that. Things will improve over time, I would guess.

There is one SERP that has existed on Google for like a year that is totally bizarre to me. There is a certain page that always comes up in the top 20. Top 10 this dance. This page has a PR of 3, and is on a minor site on a free host that has been ignored for years. For a single keyword it is #6 on Google, has a low density for that keyword, and only has 6 instances of that keyword on the page. If only I could figure out what this page was doing right. ;)

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I still see a lot of high-ranking pages (highly competitive categories with hundreds of thousands or millions of results returned) where the snippets show nonsense keyword-stuffed text.

But a whole LOT of it disappeared overnight. I wouldn't have such a problem with that particular spam if the sites even redirected to something on topic, but to just throw something up and hope it sticks...annoying.

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Can see changes here in Ireland.
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I am in Canada...
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Holidays:

Buddhist festivals tend to be lunar, which has a certain appeal.

Wesak (anniversary of the Buddha's awakening) is the Full Moon in May.
Dhammacakka Day (anniversary of first teaching) is the full moon in July.
Parinirvana Day (anniversary of the Buddha's death) February 15 (not lunar)

Plus, of course, January 4, which is my birthday :)

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Happy New Year, Happy Oktoberfest, Happy January, Happy Valentines Day!
(Still trying to figure out this post, but hey, I thought it would be appropriate to post my first post on the first of the year)

HarryM - You will see alot of shuffling around, typically for the most part, what you see in the beginning is how the dance ends. I do see them doing some manual adjusting I think, as last month for a certain product, I was ranked numbero uno :) :) and the manufacturer was ranked like number four or something, now they put the manufacturer ranked number one and I am like number 4 or 5.

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I finally tried this entry in the hosts file:

216.239.33.100 toolbarqueries.google.com

Very nice.

One 4 moved to 6 and many 4's moved to 5 with 5's moving to 6's.

No sevens or eights yet but it has only been 26 months since I stopped doing this for a living and started doing it for FUN!

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MeditationMan, you really live up to your name! I'm impressed--adds a little class to have some Zen balance on these boards. :)
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GoogleGuy, If you decide to go with something lunar, PLEASE be sure that they don't decide to update

"Once in a Blue Moon."

There will be no blue moon at all in the year 2003 (nor in 2006, 2011, 2014, 2017.)

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Has google already figured in the new PR in the www2 and www3 results? I realize that it may not be visible yet, but is it still a factor in these SERPS?

I realize that much can still change but am curious if they have already accounted for change in Page Rank.

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LOL
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GoogleGuy, google should really update on jan 28th (pollacks birthday!)

if you think of the philosophies of the two regarding paint and data ...

i would certaintly volunteer to create the logo

[edited by: matthew at 10:55 pm (utc) on Jan. 1, 2003]

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well ive posted in every other update thread!

I see little changes anyway. To be honest, I think google just played with the link pop numbers to make it look like they updated while they were really celebrating the holidays ;)

this is my first anniversary of google updates. I think im gonna celebrate by making some sneaky redirects and doorway pages :)

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Wow, what a fun thread this is! Lunar graphs and all!

GG, considering how closely updates are followed, I suggest that you use their timing to spread awareness about endangered species of animals & plants! There must be days at month end/begining that are dedicated to various animals/plants.

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>we have 26th January here in India as our Republic Day

26th January is also "Australia Day" so that sounds like an obvious choice for the next update.

Better get your skates on GG.

Onya
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No Update

- I don't see any update yet.

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I would love someone to explain to me why everybody thinks that something major has happened and why googleguy is not sitting in front of his screen wetting himself with laughter at all your frantic and febrile posts.I rather suspect he has something better to do.(I hope so for his soul's sake anyway).People trying to read things into Google graphics over the holiday period...penguins opening presents and wearing bow ties...ww2...ww3...PR...zen...lunar...Have you all thought where you all will be on a personal level in 40 years from now? Have you lost the plot? Isn't this all a bit silly and petty?
I checked my rankings. Still the same. My competitor is also still the same cheating cross-linking, link-hiding, site-copying, multi-mirror-siting sod he ever was. Still nothing done to correct all this by Google. That's the sort of thing you should all be getting excited about if your lives need a reason to get excited.
Happy New Year - especially to GG. He must be having the best fun he's ever had since primary school.!
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This is confusing. I believe, after several searches in the last 15 minutes, that all three www's are now the same. If so, this is the fastest update yet, by far. Anyone else?
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