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Well shoot howdy bubba. www -www2 - www3 sporadic.

updatus interuptus.

         

Brett_Tabke

12:33 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Word on the street is that there are some strange stuff going on with the old www, www2, www3.

What do you think? Anything too all this? (bk link thingos for the hoo are the same...)

GrinninGordon

1:11 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)



kamikaze_Optimizer

Did you know, just before a Tsunami strikes, the water level appears to go down a little before you see the wave?!

MrSpeed

1:20 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think Google might be removing sites with nothing but referral ID links in them and no other true content related to the keyword in question.

IMHO that's just silly. If a surfer is looking to buy a poster, join a casino, book a hotel etc . then sites with nothing but affilaite links are the best page to show a surfer.

What may be killing affiliate sites is duplicate content.

kamikaze Optimizer

1:29 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GrinninGordon:

LOL, nicely stated.

MrSpeed:

I study my keyword results intensely. What I am seeing is real, whether it makes logical sense or not.
I am not referring to affiliate sites in the true meaning as you and I would know, but just your "average joe personal website" with a link out with a referral ID.

Those sites are gone for my keyword results.

steveb

4:08 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think you guys are talking about different things.

gefilte

5:24 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... No more updates, one more update, a few more, rolling updates, no one seems to know for sure but everyone seems to have an opinion. I think this lady likes to dance, (besides, what would the raison d'etre of this forum be if she didn't) so here's mine. Why...
...because I can.

All She Wants to do is Dance
(To the tune of "All She Wants to do is Dance" by Don Henley and brought to you by Gefilte and the Hoolinet)

They're roundin' up the freshbots
And putting them in a pen
and all she wants to do is dance, dance
Ain't seen the last update since I don't know when
And all she wants to do is dance
GoogleGuy acts as the local shrink
And all she wants to do is dance
They say it's unfair when their pagerink sinks
And all she wants to do is dance, dance, dance
Wild-eyed busted spammers who ain't afraid to lie
And all she wants to do is
All she wants to do is dance, dance
It's like romance
She cant feel the heat when webmasters meet
She brings you traffic
She brings your SERPs down
All she wants to do
All she wants to do is dance

Well the SEO's bugged the chatroom
In Forum Webmaster world
All she wants to do is dance, dance
They're sure they'll find the answers
If they can only hang around
All she wants to do is dance
But that won't keep Google
From playing a trick or two
And all she wants to do is dance, dance
She still gets all the traffic
And there's nothing they can do
And all she wants to do is dance
It's like romance

Well we barely made the forum
For the last update
As we feebly watched our pagerank
I could hear the freshbots shout they said
"Don't come back here newbie"
But If I ever do, I'll get more backlinks
Cause all she wants to do is dance
It's like romance
She can't feel the heat
When webmasters meet
She brings you traffic
She gets your SERPs down
All she wants to do
All she wants to do is dance
It's like romance
All she wants to do is dance

AthlonInside

6:30 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have danced 8 times with Google, and now I really miss it so much!

GoogleGuy

6:31 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Okay, now you're starting to weird me out a little. :)

Actually, it does scan pretty well. Hmm.

GoogleGuy starts humming a little heading to bed..

steveb

6:40 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Whoa, GoogleGuy makes a joke and my allinanchor/title/text all change dramatically. Backlinks stable tho.

IITian

6:43 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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www is different from www2 and www3 for my keywords now.

jeremymgp

10:28 am on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi folks,

Not seeing any changes for my keywords yet, but I had a nice jump around the 10th so I'm hoping something similar can happen this time too. It seems a fair few of you are seeing changes anyway.

In particular I got a PR8 link 9 days ago, just a few links sharing the page, on the No.1 site for my main keyword and Freshbot's been pretty busy on my site as well. It's a paid text link but couldn't be more targeted to my site. Can I hope for a jump in SERPS fairly soon? I used to at least try to stay cool at update time, but now there's no update it's like a constant stream of update heebie-jeebies all the time!

Good luck,

Jeremy

subway

12:44 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hmmm, I was expecting a major reshuffle. This just seems like a half-baked little update. One thing I have noticed, and one has to assume that this update has settled - because it now has no beginning, middle or end - supposedly ...is that where competitive key phrases are concerned and where there are a minimum of 1/2 million results, 2 sponsored links at the top and at least 8 adword ads along the right hand side ... a.k.a money keywords that back links are the be all and end all. Infact on site optimisation is almost irrelevant.

A little like Brett said last week. Just hire a high school drop out to get you links all day.

Anyone else seeing this?

jeremymgp

1:25 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Subway,

Interesting what you say, as that's pretty much what I do myself. I find good sites with lots of backlinks, and my brother (not a dropout, but he hasn't got a job right now) just gets all the email addresses and as much personalised info as he can, and then I send the mails. The result is No.200 pre-Dominic to No.20 July 10th for three major keywords ranging from 1.7 million to 50 million results, and I'm looking for top 10 soon, especially with this PR8 link thing. I put in the work to make a free, information-based, very high quality site that hopefully blows the competition away (in my unbiased opinion), but my progress concurs with your idea, it's the links that do it.

All the best,

Jeremy

abcdef

1:47 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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high quality inbound links (or maybe a ton of really crappy ones too?) are the name of the game in the popular key phrases. there can't be much doubt about it.

anybody here work for ms.com and have access to their home page code? we have a proposition for you. hehe

www/www2/www3 game is old school now. unless an old timer can prove me wrong.

www/-sj/-fi/-zu/-ab/-cw/-dc/-ex/-va/-in is where the action is now....

HitProf

1:54 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm pretty sure about an algo change: image alt tags are no longer indexed. I'm not sure when this exactly happened. I'm quite sure they were still indexed about 2 weeks ago.

Tropical Island

1:57 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can concur with the inbound links theory. One of our sites is optimised equally on the index.html page for both the Spanish and English way of saying our region. For e.g. keyword1/keywordEnglish & keywordSpanish/keyword1.

Most of our best backlinks are from English sites.

Under searchterm keyword1/keywordEnglish we are #9 (98,000 results).

Under searchterm keywordSpanish/keyword1 we are #38 (74,200 results).

This is an excellent example of the inbound links text dominating.

abcdef

1:57 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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in the lastest shuffle on the indexes that are supplying the www.google results... our core key phrase just got slaughtered this week after weeks of building nicely to an even and decent ranking on all....

page 3 to gone. page 3 to gone. page 3 to gone.... it's always been this way for us on this keyphrase. it's frustrating. it's maddening. but hey, it's google.

at least our rankings on the less popular terms in our business are staying strong. small consolation. and far less competitive words.

anybody else want to share their recent performance on these indexes as a group?

jargon12

2:01 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)



<false alarm snipped>

[edited by: Marcia at 3:02 pm (utc) on July 26, 2003]

abcdef

2:01 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hit Prof,

how are you determining that? re: image alt text

abcdef

2:05 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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and jargon12,
how are you determing that? i think there are many people here that would like to know how you figured something out that nobody seems to be able to. haha

jcoronella

2:14 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You don't have fresh tags in the SERPs during an update.

Clever

2:49 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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@jcoronella

'you don't have fresh tags in the serps'

on www..de and www..com are fresh tags,
but not on www2 and www3

the update could happen only on www2 and www3

What do you think?

SlowMove

2:52 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The update just started!

Not yet. In about 7 minutes.

HitProf

3:21 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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abcdef: last week or so I could find a page for a phrase that only occured in an alt tag and now I can not.

jcoronella: I see fresh tags all over the place
could be this is not an update of course :)

yankee

4:14 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why hasn't this false alarm thread been locked yet? What a waste of everyones time.

ogletree

4:32 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Something is going on right now. I have seen some major changes in the last hour.

kamikaze Optimizer

5:12 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why hasn't this false alarm thread been locked yet? What a waste of everyones time.

Yankee: Stuff is happening. I see it (and love it! Thank you Google!).

I think it just depends on what your definition of an update is. In the past, it was usually a change in back links for a major site, such as Yahoo!, that marked the start of a dance. But things certainly have changed since April.

And again, as I reported last night; oddly, the results for my keyword are down another 10%.

jrobbio

5:13 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ogletree do you care to be a bit more specific so I can check out my area in the same way.

Rob

ogletree

5:28 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I sent you a sticky I can't get more specific here. One thing I have noticed is that there are 7/24 freshtags everywhere. Of course most of my caches seem to be from the 20th or 18th.

rfgdxm1

5:33 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just checked. At this minute nothing major is happening. Move along folks, there's nothing to see.

MrSpeed

5:45 pm on Jul 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I added 100 pages the 22nd, spidered the 23rd and pages now appear in www on the 26th. The pages might have been in the index the 25th but I didn't check.

Getting searches from Yahoo and Netscape.

Is this some sort of freshbot behavior or are the pages in the index for good?

There are no backlinks showing or PR in the bar.

I'm so confused!

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