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12:33 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Word on the street is that there are some strange stuff going on with the old www, www2, www3.

What do you think? Anything too all this? (bk link thingos for the hoo are the same...)

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I'm still of the opinion that Google is semi-broken. I get the feeling that although there is fresh data in the SERPS it's been mixed up with a load of really old data. I keep seeing little speckles of update on www2, about once a day, although the majority of the time all data centres are 99% the same. Still absolutely no change whatsoever with regards to back links.
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For my twopence worth... (had a scan through the thread - hope I'm not repeating)

My google toolbar is showing Directory greenness for a couple of our sites which have only recently made it into DMOZ.. and not yet in the google directory ( doesn't directory. update somewhat mark the end of the dance? )

traffic on many of our sites took a marked jump as of last monday.. from google.. but haven't seen a smidgin' of backlinks a' changin'

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A bit of an echo here-

I havent seen any change in links, but moved up from #14 to #6 for one kw, and back to #1 (where I was pre-Dominic) for two other kw phrases. Traffic from google has doubled the last week. More importantly, the relevant sites that climbed high since Dom by using hidden links and other questionable techniques have fallen back and the sites above me are legit and all belong there. I wish I were higher, but I can handle getting beat if it's a fair fight. I see Google making positive headway with better serps.

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I would post this as a new topic, but I seemed to be banned from doing so. Not sure why.

Anyway, my site is in DMOZ as of early June and as of today shows its category in the SERPs, though it is not showing up in the Google directory.

So, the good news is an update of DMOZ directory into the Google directory.

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No Google Directory update here, sorry!
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I see Google making positive headway with better serps.

Me too. Although the Spam is still there and blatantly so (white text on a white background in one example!), it seems they are being stunted down to the lower parts of the first page for the serps that I watch.

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Murphydog

>>>>>>Anyway, my site is in DMOZ as of early June and as of today shows its category in the SERPs, though it is not showing up in the Google directory.

Tried to post on this too at the weekend. Am seeing similar changes to DMOZ being reflected in SERPs

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if it's a fair fight

We're coming closer to that.

Not really understanding what's going on, though. No change in links. Some changes in SERPs for KW-KW and for allintitle:some. A few dark knight sites above one of mine disappeared, others stay. - To prevent questions: the site of mine i spoke about is white/light grey.

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Seems like the freshbot added a lot of pages into the SERPS a while ago, changing the results a lot again.

And one of my sites jumped to #1 again for the major kw. And there is one thing about it I cant figure out. Lets imagine I am targeting the main page for the kw "white widget", I havent changed the index page for about a month and without the freshbot effect my site is burried somewhere at around the #50 - #60 of results. Then here comes the freshbot and my site is straight at #1, plus I also receive a #2 listing for one of the subpages. Both for the same kw "white widget". Once the freshbot effect is over I am back at #50-60. What I dont understand that some of the other subpages hold their position even after the fresh tag is gone, just not the main index page. Moreover the index file is properly indexed and google shows the correct cache.

I just cant understand why freshbot likes my main page so much and once the fresh tag is gone my main page is gone also.

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> Seems like the freshbot added a lot of pages into
> the SERPS a while ago, changing the results a lot again.

I have a small site and my site got 170 new pages listed last night so I am happy. My trafic has basically doubled today. I am ranking way high for searches on important words to my site. Now, if they just stick, I will be really happy.

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How much do those Spam-O-Matic's cost?
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Anyone noticing a big increase in spam the last few days?

YES!

Spam seems to be the name of the game now.

If you examine the top listings, (at least for the keywords I am interested in) they are full of hidden keywords, spammy text and yes, Google seems to be giving weight to the <META keywords> tags.

I really looks like Google's spam filters are broken at this time. IMHO.

I really hope they put them up soon. :-[

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If you examine the top listings, (at least for the keywords I am interested in) they are full of hidden keywords, spammy text and yes, Google seems to be giving weight to the <META keywords> tags.

What exactly is "spammy text?" That's usually refererd to as good optimization.

And I highly doubt hidden keywords is helping anyone gain a top spot on any serps.

Hidden text is almost exclusively used nowadays by naive webmasters.

There are a few easy ways to jump to the top spots(page 1 or 2) for a lot of terms or phrases, but hidden text is not one of them.

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And I highly doubt hidden keywords is helping anyone gain a top spot on any serps.

Actually, I've seen a few serps where the number one or two spot was being taken by a page full of hidden keywords.. typical short term strategy though.

I just ignore it, even though I was behind them for one of my good money terms. I figured they would get booted eventually, and sure enough - they have fallen behind me again now where they belong :)

Good solid content-driven sites are better in the long run. I never really understand the rationale of hidden keywords anyway - wouldn't the visitor get to that page and realize it was all crock anyway? I saw one recently that managed to get really high which was just a page full of keywords - the sad thing was that there was absolutely no content on it and no links to any content either! Kind of defeats the point of having a good ranking.

Back to the story of this 'update' of sorts though - I have noticed increased hits (by about 20-30%) in the last 5 or 6 days. It seems the only thing causing it is updated content of some already indexed pages. By far, not all of them have been updated though and there are many that are still not included after over 6 weeks. My main page's title showing in the serps is out of wack with the cached title also, which is frustrating as it makes it very hard to tell whether the title is playing any role in the calculating of its position. All this incomplete style of updating is pretty typical for the last month really - nothing major at once, just dribs and drabs.

I'm also still waiting on a backlink update of course, although who knows if that is already being included without us knowing!

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There are a few easy ways to jump to the top spots(page 1 or 2) for a lot of terms or phrases, but hidden text is not one of them

I agree, but in my feeling those ways are more often successful now. Especially the guestbook signing thing has increased very much, and it works. I am not sure, but I think in the predominic time guestbook signing didn't have such an impact on the SERPS.
There must have been a kind of filter which has now been disabled for any cause.

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This seems way off topic, but while I'm here...

Hidden text is almost exclusively used nowadays by naive webmasters.

Well, successful naive webmasters. Like anything it can serve it's purpose. Supposedly this stuff doesn't work in the long run, but from my experience the 'short run' is quite a while, and certainly long enough for some people to make some good money.

Lets forget about 'Spam' for a moment, which is something people like to debate about. Hidden text is obviously not for the user but for the search engine (and yes, I know there are some useful 'hidden text' uses like drop down menus, WASP messages, and accessibility stuff).

I'm seeing hidden text working all over Google. I found an example of White on White the other day. Another using a hidden frame, another using visibility:hidden (heck, a whole network of sites using this, they've been around for awhile and seem to have domains with dmoz listings just waiting in the the wings in case another gets bumped).

Anyway, I don't think (I hope) that this Google-doping will work in the long run.

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im not sure it even needs to be hidden. I see a lot of sites that simply stick a block of words at the bottom of the page and title it "KEYWORDS".
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The above post is 100% correct.

Unless you have a page that's almost all images and text would screw up the "effect" you're going for...there's almost no excuse for using hidden text.

If the text is so important than find a way to incorporate it into the normal context of the webpage. You wont face the risk of being banned, and you still get the benefit of having the text on your pages. Seems like common sense to me.

When I see a site using hidden text I shake my head.

I still don't believe any sites are getting top rank on hidden text alone. Those "spammers" are most likely using lots of methods to get that good placement.

Don't believe me? Copy and paste that hidden text on the bottom of one of your pages. Except do it like this...

"Keywords: ALL TEXT GOES HERE EXCEPT DON'T MAKE IT HIDDEN."

It wont work.

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<sigh>

Another month, another update (or was it? :) ), six more indexable backlinks (including the ODP), and Google has added... wait for it... a second page of my site. Five months, almost thirty pages, over a dozen backlinks, no spammy behaviour, and - woo - I've got two pages indexed... and the second one is just "www.widget.com/page.html" with no cache and no description on all the various www2/www-ex et al servers.

As I think I said last month (or was it the month before?), thank goodness there's AdWords.

Oh, yeah: I can't even rank 1st for "www.mydomain.+com"; on good days my index page is #2 of 21 in the serps... on bad days it's #19 of 20.

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Google seems to be struggling to add new sites at the moment. I know of a site that has been up for 6 weeks, complete with several inbound links from decent pages and the front page hasn't been indexed yet.

I suspect that they are concentrating on updating the existing content, rather than adding new pages.

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spread too thin?
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Google seems to be struggling to add new sites at the moment. I know of a site that has been up for 6 weeks, complete with several inbound links from decent pages and the front page hasn't been indexed yet.
I suspect that they are concentrating on updating the existing content, rather than adding new pages.

Not mine. I load'em up daily, they get spider'ed in 24-48 hours and 48 - 72 hours later, they are indexed.

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Not mine. I load'em up daily, they get spider'ed in 24-48 hours and 48 - 72 hours later, they are indexed.

I assume you're referring to new pages, rather than new websites?

New pages can be added fast if they're linked to other pages on a site that gets freshbot visits regularly. New sites on the other hand tend to take a bit longer.

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>>> I assume you're referring to new pages, rather than new websites?

>>> New pages can be added fast if they're linked to other pages on a site that gets freshbot visits regularly. New sites on the other hand tend to take a bit longer.

It is now possible to get your new website into G index within 72 hours, provided you got good inbound links. A new site of mine with around 40 pages was online in mid July and got fully crawled and indexed all 40 pages by that time frame. Another one last week also get in by 3 days but only homepage gets index till today.

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I can confirm this as well.

I have had a new site properly indexed by G, since last update.

My definition of properly indexed is a search on www.mynewdomain.com returns a valid match.

This is obviously a significant chance for G for the better - I still beleive though that PR updates & inbound links are not being counted yet on a rolling basis - and I still beleive these 2 factors will affect the SERPS when updated.

Maybe G is working towards the rolling update in phases?

Rome wasn't built in a day!

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About a month ago, I moved from #5 to #3 on my preferred two-word phrase. However, this was only on the -CW data center. A couple of weeks ago -FI caught up. Now -IN has caught up. This behaviour suggests (to me) that Google are using a rolling update strategy, but not a strategy I would opt for.

If from now on, data centers are going to carry different data, then the issue of search results not being repeated will become a real problem. Users will not like this.

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My position has not changed in www, www2, www3 and have been that way for years.

However I dropped from #2 to #3 for Yahoo, and could not figure it out, until i went searching for more data centers.

I did move in the following datacenter:

www-sj.google.com

I been told that this is the first one to move, and provides quicker results than the www2 & 3's

Considering I did a complete site redesign, Im happy that I only dropped one for my favorite keywords.

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