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Well shoot howdy bubba. www -www2 - www3 sporadic.

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12:33 am on Jul 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Word on the street is that there are some strange stuff going on with the old www, www2, www3.

What do you think? Anything too all this? (bk link thingos for the hoo are the same...)

9:30 pm on July 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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With a title that includes "shoot howdy," I have to hop in. :) Things look pretty normal to me.

Wouldn't it be nice if GoogleGuy anounced every update in advance?

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Last five days my sites were deep crawled. Slowed down yesterday and today there was one page fetched about 7 hour ago. I think crawling for my sites is over for some time.

Am expecting update to start in 2-3 days. Just guessing. ;) Meanwhile, I have moved up nicely on all my keywords perhaps thanks to newer links being counted. Am seeing some movement across data centers but it is still not the update, in my view.

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With GG saying "Things look pretty normal to me" isn't he actually saying "Nothing's going on, don't get excited" (that's how I took it anyway).

Also, I seem to remember just after Dominic GG said to expect at least one more traditional update. That happened (Esmerelda) and I don't recall him mentioning or promising traditional updates after that.

So these two things lead me to believe that's it as far as traditional updates go.

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I've got two sites now that are coming and going. Yesterday, both of them showed up in the number one spot using my desired keywords. Even the interior pages were indexed and showing up in the top 10 for their respective keywords.

Today, I can't even find either site in the index.

This is nuts.

9:52 pm on July 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Things look pretty normal to me.

What does that mean? Continuous update or no update at this time?

10:21 pm on July 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There are no more updates. It is a continuous update.

Now, go spend time with your families.

10:57 pm on July 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK. So what's does Howdy bubba mean? I tried searching Google for
Well shoot howdy bubba. www -www2 - www3 sporadic.
but there were no replies. Trying different searches I finally found a defunct site where you can ask Bubba some questions, but alas the cache didn't explain anything. ;)
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I also believe we are now in continuous update mode. How can my personal site which I launched only 2 weeks ago be the in index, ranking well and displaying a mixture of fresh dates and no fresh dates in the same SERP.

One thing I would like, but really it's a bit of a p-size thing, is my toolbar PR updated :P

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Do you know what time it is? [howdydoodytime.com]

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There are no more updates. It is a continuous update.

There has to be an update of the displayed backlinks at some point. Whether it will have an effect on the serps is another thing - personally I think it will.

I feel that the continuous update syndrome is more like a 'keeping of the information dug up by freshbot'. Where in the past freshbot would come along and you would have your new page cached for a day and then drop out - now they are keeping that data. There are still a LOT of deep pages on my site that haven't entered since they were put up almost a month ago and I expect that there will be an update that will bring those into the playground. All just my opinion of course :)

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"There are no more updates. It is a continuous update."

This is incorrect.

There will be an update soon.
There is no continous update yet.

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My site just moved up from #15 to #5 on www for my main KW phrase. www-sj no change. Backlinks no change, still very old. And my ODP directory listing, now several months old is still not in the Google Directory.

This is at least the third time I've seen placement change since the last update. Was that sort of movement within the SERPs normal in between updates before this last one?

1:32 am on July 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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pre-update
imminent update
rolling update
update RIP

I'm finer than frog hair with whar da site is settin' once it recovered from its April burp.

Fer that matter, spending some time with the missus n da youngins is sounding better than gravy on a biscuit too!

So shoot howdy all y'all bubbas and bubbettes, I'll be seein' ya on the flip side. I'm headed fer west Texas in a few cause one of my younger kinfolks is gittin' hisself hitched to a right fine lil' lady.

GG, iffin them thar bots wanna go for a romp in my cornfield whilst I'm gone, jest turn 'em loose n lettum have sum fun!

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it is just freash bot making adjustments in the flow of its crawl. Nothing abnormal than what has been happening the last few months.

Freshbot has garnered more power these days. I went from #5 to #1 in this span. I believe this to be accounting for more incoming links that will show up shortly after the update. I had a lot of incoming links that were placed after the last update started and now they are being taken into account to make Google results the best as fast as they can.

This is the advancement of the quest for Google to have near real-time updates. Expect this to continue to happen from now on.

Just my two bits. Google is pushing the envelope and it seems to be working good so far. I might just be a little biased however. ;)

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My bread earners are a little out at the mo, which I hope is down to G getting the lost data back in play (the April Burp). But, I think things are just marginally better overall. I just wonder whether this all is about the same basic algo making a transition to the rolling update version. And that ranking factors / Spam traps remain unchanged for now.

And yes, at #1 you are a little biased ;-)

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all i can say is that results are now in www(but i dont see them all in www2 and www3 anymore).my site jumped to top 5 on very important phrases (millions of results) on www as of this morning...i like this whateveryouwanttocall it update! :)
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my site jumped to top 5 on very important phrases (millions of results) on www as of this morning...i like this whateveryouwanttocall it update! :)

me too: no 4 against 6.2m.............keep it rolling Google!

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Until we see the backlinks change we have NO major update, I agree that things maybe a little more active then it was as we see more frequent fresh bot listings.

Some sites that are only half indexed or fairly new have erratic behaviour. So even between updates you will see different results.

As Google Guy pointed out still all the same.

Go back build some more great pages and wait for the major!

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do you think they're doing a more frequent freshbot thang but balancing that with a less frequent (6 weeks) PR update?
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do you think they're doing a more frequent freshbot thang but balancing that with a less frequent (6 weeks) PR update?

Personally I don't think it's deliberate at all. I think they are gearing up to a continuous update program with the end result also encompassing a faster more regular PR update (see all the other threads in this regard).

I think right now everything is happening rather more organically as software is developed, tested etc. I don't see any particular patterns.

I have no doubt it will settle down at some point.

TJ

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Might want to check Yahoo backlinks...looks like a real one

<added> nope...eyes must be going crosseyed - nevermind

5:21 pm on July 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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kevinpate, I sure do appreciate you volunteerin' your cornfield. Those bots get a little overheated sometimes and need to romp around a bit just to cool off. If they wander too far up the holler, just call 'em back with the call that usually works: "Woooeee! Here bots! Fresh content! Got your site map here! C'mon back!"

They tend to wander, so don't feel bad about putting up some fences around your farm:

User-Agent: Googlebot
Allow: /cornfield/
Allow: /pasture/
Disallow: /farmhouse/
Disallow: /barn/
Disallow: /goodchina/
Disallow: /mailbox/
Disallow: /holler/
Disallow: /ridge-up-the-mountain-way/

That should keep 'em from going too far afield. :)

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GG,

Tried that new fangled bot call. Them thar bots shor nuff jumped when they heered bout the new sitemap. Reckon last 2 days them lil varmints ate everything in site.

Gossipy lil varmints too. seems they told everyone they meets and now I got more dang visitors than I ever did see.

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Interestingly enough, as GG has promised in the past, new algos have been applied since the last update.

I have seen the number of results for my keyword go down about 20% over the past 2 weeks, which in itself, is odd.

I think Google might be removing sites with nothing but referral ID links in them and no other true content related to the keyword in question.

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"removing sites with nothing but referral ID links" - does this mean affiliate links?

If so, disagree.

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GrinninGordon:

I think so, for several reasons.

First, I am only referring to sites that were in the results because it had nothing but a link out with a referral ID, no other content with the keyword in it

I can no longer find those sites in the SERPís and the receiving site back links went down by 20k and its PR went from a PR8 to a PR6.

Plus, the results went down by 20% over the past two weeks; were did those results go?

Your thoughts are welcomed.

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I saw a single page site with 4 affiliate links out and about 6 guest book links in go from top 3 to #20. So I can not say if this is / was because of dampening on guest book inbounds or single page wonders with affiliate link outbounds.

As for affiliate link sites as a whole, I disagree. I see no real variance between affiliate sites that have written private back ends to avoid affiliate links, sites that use cgi bouncers to hide affiliate links, and site with plain old affiliate links. None.

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GrinninGordon:
Could it be that Google is applying a filter with different affiliate types of referral links, one by one?

The link I am speaking of looks like this: refer_id=XXXXXXX

I can not think of another reason why the results have gone down. I personally have added to them drastically ;)

Plus, I can not find these sites now, when before, they were in the results (in the back field where they belong) Also, the loss of PR on the receiving site and the huge loss of back links to the receiving site.

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I can not find these sites now, when before, they were in the results

A lot of sites are lost in the shuffle, especially newer sites. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Slowmove:

I understand fully what has been going on over the past few months. I am speaking about since this last update settled down about 2 weeks ago. Slowly, the number of results have been droping every few days.

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