December 2017 AdSense Earnings & Observations

[james007]

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System: The following 6 messages were cut out of thread at: https://www.webmasterworld.com/google_adsense/4874961.htm [webmasterworld.com] by martinibuster - 11:50 am on Dec 1, 2017 (utc -5)

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November - page views were down by about 5%; earnings were up by over 10%; page RPM up by 15%

[Ironside]

Whereas I'm not involved in keeping fish anymore I do still maintain the website and answer questions on the forum so in that aspect I'm still keeping a hand in. It's not that I've lost interest as such, it's just the fact that maintaining a large fish tank is more than just a hobby. I did it for quite a few years and decided that it was more of a chore in the end than a hobby. However, there are loads of other people out there who are still into the hobby and whilst my website is still number one for my particular niche I shall continue to run the website.

But you are correct, creating a website around something you know about, especially a hobby is always going to be the best approach if you want to make some money. The only problem I foresee is there are absolutely loads and loads of angling websites on the Internet. So rather than just create something that is the same as everyone else I'm going to tailor mine for the absolute beginner and leave all the technical stuff to the other websites.

[RedBar]

@robzilla

I'm not going to argue all your points since you clearly have not read my explanations however one thing is very clear at the moment, Google is going local whereas my sites are global for its intended audience of international buyers and specifiers. I do not deal in less than container load shipments and in many cases actual shiploads from various regions of the world.

My actual PVs are down since I am not a local supplier yet my realworld business is up since we are so well-known within my widget industry, and because of Google's mess-up with my industry, by the way I am not the only one who has experienced this fubar, it is very evident that the industry is continuing to go forward without G because it is now all but useless to us.

I suspect that there may be other industry watchers experiencing precisely the same, then again I may be the only one here who is in such a postition, maybe Google is right, maybe local is the answer, it's certainly not for me since Joe Public is the last person I want to see or hear from and it's been that way for me for the last 49 years.

[robzilla]

The only problem I foresee is there are absolutely loads and loads of angling websites on the Internet.

Right, too many people fishing in the same pond. That goes for many niches, but if you're lucky, you may find some untapped potential. Competitors can get lazy once they've made their way to the top. That's when it helps to be personally invested in a topic, you just see more that's missing from a user's perspective. I picked up an instrument lately and am toying with the idea of starting a website in that industry, just mulling it over and doing some research, hoping for a way in. It's fun :-) Not really thinking about AdSense, though, since that generally requires quite a bit of volume or a particularly lucrative niche, and I'm expecting neither.

since you clearly have not read my explanations

If there are actual explanations in there, you're drowning them out with all the "fubards", vagueries, and Google this, Google that. All makes it rather hard to take you seriously or even believe you actually deal with global million-dollar shipments in the "real world", but I digress.

[nubchai]

@MayankParmar what ad networks pay in bitcoin?

[NickMNS]

@nubchai, I think what he is referring to is a JS script that you install on your page that runs a bitcoin miner using the users CPU. So while the users is consuming your content you are using their CPU to mine bit coin for you. Each user contributes a minute fraction of a bitcoin but over ten of thousands of users each spending a few seconds or minutes on your site it can amount to payout that is apparently in the same order of magnitude as Adsense. I'm not sure how this will be received by users. Ads are paid for by the advertisers while the bitcoin will be paid for by the user in terms of power consumption. This is big concern for mobile users, as your site will drain their battery. Also the longer a users spends on your site the more you make, so this a great monetization scheme for video or audio streaming.

There was a thread discussing this topic specifically, but I can't find it. Maybe it was deleted, there was post to it yesterday....

[MayankParmar]

@Nubchai Bitmedia.io

[NickMNS]

@MayankParmar this bit media is an Adsense alternative that's value proposition is that it pays in BitCoin. Why? Is there a problem with the currency that Adsense pays you in?

[nubchai]

Thanks @MayankParmar.

[nubchai]

@Nick, there are legitimate mining pools that you can sign up for and you can get a portion of the crypto mined. However, what you describe above is actually malware that cyber criminals use. Definitely not an option. Bitcoin as a payment is attractive if you are interested in cryptocurrencies. It can be very risky though. But Bitcoin at the moment is on a romp. So whereas the USD is a fixed payment, cryptocurrencies can increase (or decrease) in value.

[NickMNS]

@nubchai if you want to speculate in a unregulated and extremely volatile market then just buy or sell Bitcoin outright. I see no logic in using a sub-par ad network simply for the purpose of being forced to take long position in a volatile asset. How would you be able to judge the performance of the ads vs the performance of the currency speculation?

As to this type of thing being malware that is questionable. You are not stealing anything, if you inform your users and they consent then where's the issue. You are not installing any software or taking any data, you are simply using their processor power, which could certainly be a fair exchange of value. Now, I doubt that the average user would see it that way, so there is the real problem. But who knows, attitudes may change over time. Oh, and lets not forget Google's perception, will Google deem it malware?

[frankleeceo]

Re: Mining javascripts. Many antivirus (and adblocker) is now detecting and blocking it. It's probably bad public perception when anti virus goes nuts when user get on your website. There's this website that I frequently visit, and anti virus is flagging it page after page. If popular antivirus is deeming them as malware, regular users will accept that it is. It can't get more bad rep than that. I am staying far and far away from those.

Buying and selling goods or services with any volatile currency (bitcoin included) is just headache, doesn't matter what the currency might be. History and certain hyper inflated currencies teach good lessons.(except it's the reverse of inflation, but currency pair is still currency pair).

[kegnum]

@allhearts It depends on the niche.. Affiliate ads are very niche specific. Unless you are comfortable reveling your niche openly. You will have to just search google for some.

[Ironside]

I have been using media.net for about three years. It's never paid as much as AdSense but some money is better than no money. At the moment I have a 600 x 250 unit at the bottom of my forum and I have also put the same unit at the bottom of my FAQ page. Last month I made $41 and I'm off to $10 so far this month. Since there is a $100 minimum payout I normally have to wait two or three months for payment which is normally around 80 or £90. So if you have got a website which gets lots of hits every day it may be worth trying media.net.

[nubchai]

@Nick one of the best things I did was to buy and hold some Bitcoin. What the bad guys do is install malware scripts that use your CPU or GPU to mine Bitcoin or other cryptos for them. Without your approval. It's most certainly stealing something - it's stealing your processing powers and it's stealing bitcoin profits that should go to you and not the person who installed the malware. Furthermore, even if you had a visitor's approval, you'd have to install a script on their device to use their computer resources. It doesn't happen by magic. That being said, I don't think Bitmedia ads would fit my websites but if I had more appropriate sites, I'd try it for a while as an experiment.

[NickMNS]

you'd have to install a script on their device to use their computer resources. It doesn't happen by magic.

Nothing is installed, you simply run a Javascript script from the browser (That is the magic). When the user closes the browser or leaves the site the script stops running. Then you as the site owner collect whatever was mined

This is not an efficient means of mining Bitcoins. Any one user session only contributes a very small, almost insignificant amount. But multiplied over hundreds of thousands of user sessions these small amounts ad up.

...and it's stealing bitcoin profits that should go to you...

True the profits should go to you. But you, as the user, exchange the value of the mined Bitcoin (profits) for the content consumed.

one of the best things I did was to buy and hold some Bitcoin.

Have you sold it now? Or are you still holding it? When will you sell it at what price? As holder of Bitcoin you have nothing but a promise, only once you exchange that promise for a tangible asset you will get a real reward. Holding an asset such as Bitcoins, or some hot stock is the easy part. It is knowing when to sell that is difficult.

[MayankParmar]

Was a good day... Hope this continues

[nubchai]

@Nick I don't think mining Bitcoin in that manner would be at all lucrative and given the need for informed consent I doubt any sane visitor would agree to it. It's much harder to make a profit mining BTC these days with a traditional mining setup. I treat my crypto investments like any others - I take periodic profits until my original investment is paid for. Then I continue to take smaller profits. I've bought and owned BTC for several years so it's been an unusual winner for me. I don't trade it. And if it dropped 50% I'd still be in profit. However, I'm expecting a big correction at some point.

[Mentat]

This Saturday is very, very bad/slow.

[Ironside]

Yesterday was rather mediocre. Today could be quite good looking at the rpm and CPC which is 22p at the moment.

[MayankParmar]

Today is very bad here too. Low traffic and pathetic earning :( Yesterday was so good!

[Maximum44]

Totally opposite here. Increased traffic and pretty good adsense numbers. With that said we do not have anything to do with Christmas or any other holidays.

[MayankParmar]

It was a good Sunday!

[Maximum44]

Good here as well!

[kireb]

Weird, I can't use my Countries report for the month December 2016. I always compare the stats of the USA with last year's ,month.

I'm getting the following message:'This report is not available for dates earlier than 20 November 2017.
Run this report using the first available start date.'

[CommandDork]

Same here. Been unable to run deep reports for an hour or so. Same msg as you're getting.

[frankleeceo]

Third on that report, it seems to be bugged now for me as well.

[Ironside]

December is turning out to be rather a good month. CPC has been quite good. I think it's safe to say that we will be having turkey again this Christmas.

[ember]

Can't run site reports here. Started yesterday.

[Ironside]

Could making your site secure affect Google AdSense earnings? I don't know why a word, just a thought. Anyway, is there any benefit to making a website secure if you are not actually storing sensitive information and maybe offering products to the general public?

[MayankParmar]

Maybe if you add something like Cloudflare security checkup, it will affect your AdSense earnings.