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For this day (17 May), does it mean that they will pay for April 1-30 earnings, or for May (1-18) also?
That's about as plausible as saying that they turn a blind eye to click fraud because it "makes them money
OK. I'll say it. They do that as well. Every month it is a battle with them to get credits for click fraud. But that's for another thread.
I'm glad they are doing what they are doing now but on the other hand I don't really care that they made a profit for so long before this. It's just business. Sure it's a pain fighting with them for refunds on the click fraud but then again...it's just part of doing business with them.
JAG
I agree Hate is a strong word I was using the term in a new school kinda way you know all you haters ;-) thats what kids say at school these day.
In any event I hear what you are saying pure junk is not fair and not what is right for the system. I guess what kinda makes me wonder is how many people running AdSense on their site are not in some way doing it for the cash. Getting paid is an incentive to continue to produce and so the idea that a site should not be created for the sole purpose of moving advertisements I feel that it is a bit tongue and cheek. Does anyone think that the New York Post would still pump out a newspaper online or in print if it were not for the Advertising. AdSense is about making money some get greedy (I did and it took me off course from what I originally wanted to do) some stay on course.
By the sounds of it FarmBoy you are staying the course and for that I applaud you that is what Google should be encouraging. The problem with Arbitrage was that they were not discouraging it if you could not do it in the first place for the past few years nobody would be doing it.
Also your point about misleading Ads I can tell you that when you put ads on your site and if they are misleading you will hear from the AdWords people. Sure some ads may slip through the cracks but Ads get reviewed and you will get a warning if you are doing the wrong thing.
Ahh well its all good I think Google is cleaning up the Internet the best way they can I dont like being banned but at the same time I am all for a content rich Internet.
But in that case I'm using AS to grow the site, not make a profit. It's the difference between "work to live" and "live to work".
I've also set up a couple of microsites very recently, for domains that I've been sitting on since dot-com days, in the hope that they *may* bring a few dollars per month to make maintaining them a reasonable exchange and not just letting the domains and ideas rot. It doesn't compare with my hundreds-per-day chargeout rate, but anyone who believes that they're worth what they charge (in either direction) has an ego problem!
I can understand that many arbs may not understand the "I'd like to do this anyway, and well, and AS can help" worldview. I consult in London in the financial markets, and have for well over a decade, and sometimes I feel that I'm one of the few people that really puts technical/job satisfaction above the money (nearly!) every time (eg I have no wish to trade). Some people just tick like that.
Others are driven by money first.
It's useful for all people involved in this discussion to try to avoid projecting their own motives on to others. AS publishers are are very broad church.
Rgds
Damon
where do you think your revenue on your website came from? People came to our sites from yours and the only way they came to our sites is by us paying you money.
Sure. We've heard that before. Problem is: when blocking MFAs increases EPC and revenue, then something is wrong. I guess it's because MFAs optimized their ad placements to catch cheap clicks and sell them at a higher price (after all, that's arbitraging).
I am one of those smaller publishers, and all I care about is user experience. Nothing else. In fact, I don't care whether the ads pay well. User experience is king, because I want them to return. Tomorrow, next week, next month, next year. If they click on one, two MFA ads, they will (in part) link that to my site. Will they return? Will they tell their friends? Will they recommend my site?
if not then maybe just maybe you will not have as much inventory to show on your site.
If only I could block more sites, I would do so. There is a seemingless unlimited supply for my niche with legit advertisers. Businesses of all sizes, ranging from Mom and Pop sites to large corporations. The only annoying advertisers in my ad mix are (have been) the MFAs.
I predict you are going to see a dip in your revenues
Too many variables to make any prediction.
[OT] BTW, there are no "predictions" in real life. In real life, you are just guessing the outcome of an event that happens in the future. When was the last weather forecast that could exactly tell you the weather in one months time? [/OT]
we all paid you money to have people click on our ads
Again, if you'd read this forum carefully, you'd see that this money was not appreciated by all the members here. There were at least some members who would have rather rejected your money (in return for seeing less crap on their sites). And yes, I was one of them. :-)
You make great points it was not fair of me to paint the entire industry with a wide brush users come first and I thought that the reason people blocked out arbitragers was because we did not pay as well not because of the user experience. Its like those e-bay ads I have always thought they were crap but they are e-bay and everyone likes e-bay so I thought maybe I was just thinking wrong.
As for predictions yes you are right it is a huge market and this cleanup will probably have no negative effect on publishers. In the long run what it will have is a positive effect on users as they will feel that the chances of clicking on a AdSense Ad and getting crap is less likely and that is good for everyone.
I have said all along what Google is doing is a good thing Good luck with your site.
and everyone likes e-bay
Now that's funny! :D
What's the big difference between an MFA site and AdLinks results pages?
There's one very obvious difference: When a user clicks on Google AdLinks, it's clear that he's going to an advertising page.
How do you know that? AdLinks to me seemed pretty sneaky - who wants a page of Ads? I thought that reason they made them look like menu items was to trick people. If they wanted to give people a link to Ads why did they not just make a button that said - click here for a page of Ads?
That is not to say that it is inherently sneaky and using them is - I just thought it was sneaky.
AdLinks to me seemed pretty sneaky - who wants a page of Ads?
That's easy: The people who click when they see a stack of AdLinks with Ads by Google in boldface type at the top.
The real difference though is that the publishers who decide to use them also decide to absorb the cost of the first click, by agreeing not to be paid, whereas the arbi is/was willing to pay for the first click. Either way the end result from a user experience point of view is they end up on a page full of ads with no content.
I think Google should delete this user experience while they are cleaning house.
JAG
