Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Over and done with?
All done all through?
>>....this time I'm about the give up...I don't get it :(<<
Its the FLUX my friend :-)
But it wouldn't hurt to keep an eye on these babies too
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.104
[edited by: reseller at 11:19 am (utc) on Nov. 19, 2005]
I think that after 2 months of update, my girlfriends almost left me, I don't work anymore, I don't sleep anymore, I'm toying that damn engine all the time....I see the nervous breakdown coming! LOL
Tell us a few...
It's easier to spot and investigate at the top than delving top 5 pages down
just a thought
steve
Certainly some of the symptoms are as similar and as different as the symptoms of the flu and of colon cancer.
The Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not trade links.
This isn't a question of morality or even of ethics. It's a question of Google making the rules, then changing them but only penalizing randomly.
Google made linking the key to rank in the first place, and now they say some linking is good and some linking is bad but they are ambiguous about it.
Meanwhile, sites that are participating in the most blatant and cynical link schemes are ruling the serps. I know of one site that is participating in the cheesiest link network scheme and I followed Reseller's instructions and filed my report and guess what? They are still enjoying prime first page real estate for a very important key word while I play by Google's rules and sit in the middle of the third page.
It's interesting to note that I enjoy #1 and #2 spots for MSN & Yahoo respectively for that key word and the above mentioned site is nowhere to be seen.
It's Google who is not behaving ethically here and if it doesn't change, it will come back to bite them in the a$$.
J3 or whatever the new version shows some non-US movement suddenly, but barely enough to be hopeful.
I don't have a problem with G moving goal posts just seems so unfair on webmasters that have been involved with linking for years to be now losing out to the real spammers. Maybe its time to pop out to that hat shop and get hold of that black hat I've been doing my best not to put on for years
Maybe it's about time to lift the "no specifics" rule for one large "name and shame" forum. I've spotted some ridiculous attempts at boosting over the past 24hrs and the sad thing is it's working ... google is listing them. I just think they're waiting for us to report the obvious cheats and they then limit the workload.
I don't think you need to get out the black hat. Bear in mind that MSN and Yahoo have only been operating their own search engines for about a year. This thing is only starting to heat up. I think we should give Google the benefit of the doubt that this update is not over and we will shortly see vastly better results.
But if this is the end of the update, then who here can say that Google delivered significantly better results than their competition? From where I stand, it looks as though MSN and Yahoo, while not perfect are at least on par with Google. I can tell you that my wife, who likes to shop online, has ditched google for Yahoo.
I think that we will see huge changes in search in the very near future, so making concessions now for any one engine isn't a good strategy for the long haul.
I'll leave the hat shop alone - but not for long!
A post Christmas blitz may be on the cards for the google algo. This might be why the serps seems to be favouring big, established brands at present. They might be cleaning house after Christmas and they don't want to hurt the big names in their busy season.
Just one more thought. I am reading a book about Adwords by Andrew Goodman, who is an expert on the subject. I don't have the book with me right now, so I'm only loosely paraphrasing, but he says that Page and Brin have said that if they produce sub-standard results in the organics, it will drive users to click on the Adwords listings.
If this is true and they truly think that way, they will be in for some serious trouble. Poor results in the serps only translates into a rush for the door.
That's a big gamble and may be due to some serious stock price pressure. Searchers are no fools and they know a scam when they see it and as you say they will vote with their feet.
Also, imagine the drop in search figures if webmasters stopped searching for their favourite keywords ... devastating.
Just one more thought. I am reading a book about Adwords by Andrew Goodman, who is an expert on the subject. I don't have the book with me right now, so I'm only loosely paraphrasing, but he says that Page and Brin have said that if they produce sub-standard results in the organics, it will drive users to click on the Adwords listings.
Short term... yes.
But the accuracy of search is what keeps people coming back to Google time and time again.
Weakening their main strength would surely just open doors for other companies and make little sense long term.
Less users means less clicks on adverts at the end of the day.
72.14.207.104
LOL oh I'm so glad I've had a bottle of wine - roll on Y & MSN
>>J3 is currently live on google.com.au from the UK
72.14.207.104<<
Yes that DC looks like a J3.
>>when I go to [google.com.au...] in the UK, I don't get Jagger 3 results. Why is that? <<
Because it depends upon which data center you are hitting, and because J3 hasn't migrated to all the data centers yet.
I should add 72.14.207.104 is the cache shown for google.com.au from the UK.
Pinging google.com.au from the UK gives me 64.233.161.147
However 64.233.161.147 gives me completely different results than google.com.au from the UK
Let's look at a popular English search phrase that returns 2 million results:
#1 ok
#2 ok
#3 yahoo groups message with text "this group has exceeded its download limit."
#4 javascript redirect to a page with nothing but paid links
#5 see #4
#6 adsense scraper site
#7 made for google only with several keyword pages
#8 ok but again SEO has made it user-unfriendly
#9 guestbook message with a redirect to the same site as in #4 and #5 - This guy must be happy with Jagger
#10 a company press release from 2002
#11 see #4
#12 see #4
#13 adsense ads surrounded by other ads
#14 see #4
#15 ok
#16 see #4
#17 a blog comment stuffed with keywords
#18 same as #4 but this time hosted on a free webspace account
#19 see #4
#20 redirect to a search results page with sponsored links only
#21 see #4
#22 Yahoo groups message
#23 blog comment spam
this goes on and on... if you want high rankings check out blogs, guestbooks, free subdomains, free webspace accounts, remotely hosted discussion boards...
