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Over and done with?
All done all through?
so you'd assume G will want to reshuffle cards a bit or simply revert to prior algos
I understand that Google probably feed off the comments from forums such as this, but they should develop their ideal algo and stick with it and not use this haphazard approach.
I, for one, am totally shattered trying to explain what's happened with this change. It seemed to be drastic in the beginning and now the main damage seems to have been done by our fellow web workers sadistically stalking the serps looking for the minutest of keyword infringements to report.
This seems to have resulted in the sites that are using yet undetected boosting techniques being at the top of the serps along with a load of major brands and public services.
All in all, even though my site got a completely unexpected ban, resulting in some rather unpleasant redundancies, I think the results are better ... marginally ... but I can't really put my finger on why ;-)
Appologies to anyone that I've been rude to during this very difficult time, I'll try to keep a lid on my angst in the future.
Most updates have happened around Wed/Thursday in Jagger. Guess we have a couple more days of DC watching :)
reseller
"McMohan
Forgot to ask. How are you doing on J3?"
Thanks for asking :) Starting Jagger1, lost some 70% ground. Running through to Jagger3, recovered 50% of those. So, 20% worse-off compared to Pre-Jagger.
[You proved me wrong. Thought you only indulged in boastful self-indulgence of your site ;) Hoping for many more happy reseller good morning wishes!]
King of all Sales saidThanks, King. Impressive. Our impressions are up a lot, but the CTR has gone down by around 30% since the Jagger updates (or coincidence?).
Donelson -
We have an Adwords account with thousands of keywords spread accross 9 campaigns. Our CTR this month is slightly higher than last month but the interesting thing is that the number of impressions (for those not familiar with Adwords, the total number of page views for those keywords) is flat compared to last month. Impressions on Overture are up this month over last as would be expected in our segment for this time of the year.
However, there is not a place in the google spam report for a subject line or keyword.
So, how is that done?
I have placed spam reports many times on a site that is using simple hidden text, but the spam reports don't seem to do any good. And, the google algorithm seems to not work at filtering this out. The offending site still comes up #1.
However, there is not a place in the google spam report for a subject line or keyword.
If you're using the spam report link:
[google.com...]
Put it in the "Additional Details" section.
J3 has been sitting on that DC for nearly two weeks and it has not spread. Clearly there is something Google does not like about those results or they would have let them loose. Matt mentioned they would spread early this week - well that has not happened.
OK - I'm betting that someone at PubCon is going to throw a big ol' ceremonial Sizzor Switch denoting the "New Generation of Search: Jagger3" and then all of the results will begin to spread across the datacenters ;)
Yahoo's way is not beter than Google's. Yahoo just introduced a very poor index across the board. How is that good? Google has different datacenters to test and gauge reaction too. That is a good thing, even if for some unknown reason some webmasters like to say "are we there yet" over and over.
I was horrified to find that a friend's 140 page site, showed only three pages (in a site:domain.com search) before the "Repeat this search with omitted pages included" message appeared...
Page titles were all unique, but I found he had used the same meta description on every page of the site. The pages were edited to change the meta description, and after just a few days about 30 pages were showing up before the "Repeat" message in the SERPs, and a week later it is now up to 60 pages showing...
It seems that Unique meta description per page is vital more than ever now.
The snippet had been showing the same text for every page (not sure if the meta description was used, or the ODP description); but they are all different now - the snippet is different for every one of the 60 page showing now. The snippet shows the old version for the rest of the 140 pages, and the cache date for those is a few days before the changes were actually made...
It seems like your problem may have something to do with the contextual search that Google has incorporated into Adwords. Perhaps your ads are showing up for a lot of searchs where they are really not related, hence a low CTR. I know that we had that problem some time ago, but it seemed to have been fixed. If you can check your logs to see what search terms people are using, it might give you a clue.
I have read your expert advice on canonical issues. Many thanks for the tips.
Do you think Jagger Update will eventually settle down with these issues resolved. Or are we barking up the wrong tree?
g1smd: I finally see some very small changes to the number of supplemental results... 66.102.9.104
On that datacentre, for a site where this time yesterday a search for site:www.domain.com showed jumbled listings, they are now more logically ordered with the homepage first and the supplementals and URLs-only at the end. The same applies but to a lesser degree for site:domain.com -www.
Jagger 4?
Donelson,Funny. The logs show that exactly the same search words are being used now as before. The same word pair accounts for 71% of search engine referrals, with around 1,000 referrals per day to the premiere site.
It seems like your problem may have something to do with the contextual search that Google has incorporated into Adwords. Perhaps your ads are showing up for a lot of searchs where they are really not related, hence a low CTR. I know that we had that problem some time ago, but it seemed to have been fixed. If you can check your logs to see what search terms people are using, it might give you a clue.
Looking at the ads placed on the page, they are the same exact ads from the same advertisers we had before, more or less (they rotate a bit, but seem the same).
Hmmm... One thing I did change: I made the ads have an "invisible" border (white) to make the ads see more like part of the page itself. The ad text is the same colour as well.
-! - Perhaps "camouflage" rather than "stylistic improvement"? I spoke with many, and even Google recommends making the ads blend in. Perhaps here the visitors just don't see them?
Our bounce rate on the home page is around 50%, and doesn't seem to have changed...
I'd sure appreciate your comments; perhaps a private comm is best? I've sent one.
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It seems Jagger3 still hasn't migrated from the 4 original DCs. Though little flux or minor reshuffling is going on.
66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
Maybe its going to stay there for ever. Call it continues testing, developement and improvement. Call it what you want :-)
There does seem to be a bit more sensible ordering of them, at least right this second.
<should start a pool on the first day that Google reduces the number of nonexistent supplementals... next month, next year, next century...?>
Our brother Jagger3 has died in the 4 DCs - May god bless his soul! (:(
Please lets pray together:
Depart, O Jagger3 soul, out of this world;
In the Name of the plex who created you;
In the Name of the plex who redeemed you;
In the Name of the plex who sanctifies you.
May your rest be this day in peace,
and your dwelling place in the Paradise of the plex.
Amen.
