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Update Saga. Part 5

         

Brett_Tabke

8:26 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

soapystar

5:07 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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search.microsoft.com - 3%

wot is the point of comparing a search engine with a portal or one thats 49% for email?

financialhost

5:24 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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search.yahoo.com - 7%

wots your point?

But yahoo email is 49% - this would be an excellent way for Yahoo to turn some extra search clients from Yahoo email - if they used this properly.

So Yahoo might be up and coming...

taps

5:53 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think this thread is losing momentum - just as jagger 3 does.

I wonder what Google is waiting for. Is there anyone who can give us a short weather report?

soapystar

5:54 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thats not where he was going. There was a sugggestion that the alexa rankings reflected consumer shifts between search engines during Jagger but only because the breakdown for the specifc search areas wasnt considered.

soapystar

5:56 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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given its rollout..then rollback...then rollout again it would seem they are not happy with they results got....some tinkering being carried out to bring about the intended serps they saw internally....

2by4

6:09 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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giggle, post 666, good information.

Irrational use of CSS, I guess most people here simply don't know what CSS really is. For them, this is what is refered to:

text-indent:-1000px
text-indent: 1500px

position:absolute;
left:2000px
top:-1000px
left:-3000px
bottom:1000px

positioning elements on top of each other to hide text
applying near full or full opacities to text elements
Positioning an iframe over a div then putting text in the div

Let's see, what else, that's the first stuff that comes to mind.

Leosghost, post 680, after all your most kind admonitions to this bored board, here you go, and ask the same? What can it be? Not that I didn't enjoy the posting, don't get me wrong, worth thinking about as a more general rule re how to spend seo time.

And to those who took offense: are you telling me that you actually think reading 3000 posts that have essentially either the same or no meaningful content is a good way to spend your lives and time?

Pico_Train

6:30 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, it's not a good use of time but people have the right to say what they will, whether you read or not is really up to you.

Most of this is garbage but occassionally a member comes up with something worthwhile - like your div and iframe positioning spam explanation. Thanks never thought it and will never use it!

Jessica

6:35 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Are the final dance results listed on 66.102.9.104?

(I hope so)

2by4

6:45 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No one is saying people don't have the right to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over etc again.

But as you can see, it's pretty pointless.

The question is why waste your time in this way? What's the point? It doesn't do the posters any good at all, and it doesn't do the people reading these threads any good at all. All it achieves is making it harder to figure out what the update actually is doing, and how it's doing it. Which is theoretically the point of an update thread. Or should be.

For example, if you cut through all the garbage postings, you will end up with basically the conclusions that giggle pointed a link to. Which is where you want to be, you want to have some idea of what's actually happening. The more useless postings there are, the harder it is to achieve that desired result.

walkman

6:49 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



is it me or PR changed? I had a PR4 on one site, now it's 5, where it should be of course:)

Essex_boy

6:50 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ive missed out quite a bit here, when did SAGA start?

Jagger just finished and I wasnt expecting a further update so soon.

LegalAlien

6:57 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Way to go 2by4! After thousands of posts, spanning three separate Jagger threads, the very last thing we want is to have to wade through more pointless blurb. We're all really tired; it's been a really l-o-n-g two months, so let's keep it concise, beneficial and on track guys, please!

Timona

6:58 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Essex_boy: No worries you have not missed too much Jagger3 is still going per what I can tell.

"saga" defined as: "a long story or novel, or a series of stories or novels" so it is not a new update just the sameold keeping going. :-)

zimba

8:27 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As GG has said in past postings>>>> Jagger 3 is showing on 66.102.9.104, still in flux and when stable will be moving across all DC's from early this week.

reseller

9:25 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Essex_boy

>>Ive missed out quite a bit here, when did SAGA start?<<

October 17, 2005 :-)

g1smd

10:05 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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On default Google here in the UK, [66.249.93.104...] I see for a site:domain.com search that all of the supplemental pages are listed first (pages which are long ago 404, or are malformed URLs, etc), and only then are those followed by normal pages from the site. The root index page is very near the end of the list in each case. I see this on a lot of site listings at the moment...

flowermark

10:10 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My PR changed this morning as well. It changed from 5 to 4 for two datacenters and has since changed back too all 5s. (My site was a 4 before the udpate.)

bears5122

10:28 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm seeing the same PR fluctuations. Very odd.

eveolasov

10:44 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Okay - I've noticed site:www.homepage.com has beaucoup PR0 supplementary pages with a Feb. 6 cache........ The same pages are showing up on site:homepage.com with a November 9 cache and pretty good PR. These are the exact same pages. I see many many of these instances. I'm afraid a permanent redirect at this point could cause big trouble.

Any thoughts or advice?

zeus

10:52 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My question is just WHY did they not fix the non www issue and supplemental results DB - they did have a partly fixed version on the test server but thats also gone.

About the PR talk, forget that, its old PR that pops up sometime, what a month or so then you have something to talk about.

arnarn

10:52 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have a real sick feeling that Jagger X, be it 1,2,or a fully flux'd 3, is just not ready for prime time!

Starting with J1, we started to see problems with multiple key words. Before J1, multiple key word phrases could easily target a brand name for a product. Now, it's bizarre: A multi word brand name search with the word "supreme" results have the #1 result being some case in the Supreme Court. HUH? I just don't see how that can happen unless the word supreme automatically maps everything to supreme court and cases there-in.

Also, it's a "kiss of death" under Jx to have a product name with a region or city attached.. e.g. anything with the word Phoenix (meaning the bird or rising from the ashes concept). Everything under the sun in Phoenix will be shown before your product.

Maybe some filters or algo components are turned off now, but other than that, something is amuk with Google.. maybe we should call this update the "Lost Mojo"

Look forward to hearing if others are see the same with Jx and its impact on product / brand names.

PS.. was Jagger supposed to implement new semantic filters? I thought it was mostly a DB clean up, spam buster release.

[edited by: arnarn at 11:05 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2005]

steveb

10:56 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Fresh dates don't seem to correlate (except coincidentally) to the date displayed if you click the cached link.

g1smd

11:00 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Don't forget that the fresh date is in a US time zone, but the cache date is using UTC... so anything labelled as being before 08:00 UTC in the cache will show a fresh date as being the day before....

23:59 Friday (US) is 07:59 Saturday (UTC)

00:01 Saturday (US) is 08:01 Saturday (UTC)

TammyJo

11:17 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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More like:

Nov.13 cached date Nov. 7

Ankhenaton

11:26 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



Even funnier is that Googles update has ranked the German Wikipediaklons lower and the German Wikipedia is collapsing all the time..

The algorithm bites back ... :D

I seriously wonder when wikipedia has reached critical mass and collapes in itself...

Meanwhile .. if you type definition:bla into Google you get answers.coms Wikiclon ... always on the first position.

Hmmm logic?

Ankhenaton

11:50 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



Keyword overloading doesn't seem to be dead. I found on a search [single keyword Gardening subject area] a site on page 1 that wasn't spam itself, but he has 100 terms in meta keywords and hidden about 300 keywords in a span. :\

theBear

12:02 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Darn it Ankhenaton, no one was to find that page.

I like some of the other serps, the ones where they show because there is one and only one link to them that happens to be one of the keywords searched for.

Do it "kw1 kw2" and none of the sites on the first page are same as when the "s aren't there.

I always loved those ones especialy if the cache copy was of a 404 page and the current #1 no longer returned a response.

tiori

12:49 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Looking good!

arnarn

12:59 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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succulent, too!

... speaking of which, and in follow-up to earlier comments re paired keywords..

checkout G's results for
bullwinkle supreme

See how many supreme court cases involve bullwinkle!

WHere's rocky and justice, or is this some commie plot?

Boris, Natasha, please stand up!

donelson

1:11 am on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=large&compare_sites=&y=r&url=www.yahoo.com

[alexa.com...]

search.yahoo.com - 7%
wots your point?

No, no no. LOOK at the graphs. See how they dip at the same time as the Jagger rollouts...
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