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Over and done with?
All done all through?
>>any ideas on what DCs to track at the mo - for jagger 3 - i'm assuming we must be close to the end? <<
Jagger3 is still at the same following 4 DCs, and we mightbe close to the end within 2 weeks or so :-)
66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
Have the two business entities merged into one already, or is one a subsidiary of the other?
IMHO, your goal here is to retain at least 80% of the pre-merger values of the 2 individual companies -- that includes brand values, Internet assets (such as traffic, customer base, cash flow, affiliations, links), good will, etc.
Let that guide your decisions and actions.
1. Value of incoming links
2. Value of anchor text in incoming links
3. Content on page of incoming links
4. Keyword repetitions in anchor text
5. Age of the incoming links
6. Nature of sites linking to you
7. Directory links
8. Speed and volume of incoming links created
9. Value of reciprocal links
10. Impact of outbound links / links page on your website
11. Sandbox effect / age of your site, domain registration date
12. Size of your site’s content
13. Addition and frequency of fresh content update
14. Canonical / sub domains, sub-sub domains
15. Multiple domains on same IP numbers
16. Duplicate content on same site or on multiple domains
17. Over-optimization, excessive text markup
18. Irrational use of CSS
One of my questions (having just re-written my site using CSS) is, what does he mean by #18 - Have I been irrational? (for a change)
Mick
(Apologies to Mods if the URL is against TOS - If it is and anyone wants the URL then sticky me)
Not sure what he means. Are they given more value or less? Other words, Can dirctory links be generalized and painted with one large brush?
"Value of anchor text in incoming links"
I guess, he means the weight of anchor text is discounted by some degree and supplemented by "Content on page of incoming links"
My traffic and rankings are up on every site I manage. Jagger was the best update I've been through.
[edit] I checked and the offending page has actually been white-barred PR0 and banned from google. About time , it's been 1 year in the waiting. [/edit]
[edited by: brokenbricks at 12:47 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2005]
I'm seeing somne PR fluctuation in a number of sites that I'm monitoring right now. They appear to be swinging between PR4 and PR5. (Prejagger PR5 and drop to PR4).
Does anyone see this fluctuation at this minute?
216.239.57.*
216.239.53.*
Just a temp roll back? Or new?
Looks just like a temp roll back - probably insignificant then.
Tried the following, but did not work in .htaccess.
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^/$ /e/www/ [R]
Nick0r, Thanks!
>>> 216.239.57.*
>>> 216.239.53.*
>>> Just a temp roll back? Or new?
Just a little bit dispointed that they are not from 66.102.9.104 or 216.239.51.104
Not sure whether just a temp roll back or new as most sites seem to get back to the Pre-Jagger ones for the above two sets, BUT there is one website of mine which is PR4 before Jagger; it falls to PR3 because most of the pages are knocked off from the index due to canonical problem and those two sets are now showing PR5 for this particular website. Very strange :)
<Files .htaccess>
deny from all
</Files>
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www\.yoursite\.com [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [yoursite.com...] [R=301,L]
Save this as .htaccess (with no extension etc.)
Login via FTP and make sure you can view hidden files. Upload to the root of your domain (yoursite.com) where your index/homepage is located. If this does not work then your host does not allow .htaccess to be used. This would be a 1st for me as hosting companies using HSphere are probably some of the best available generally (9 out of 10 cluster their servers).
[edited] This is assuming your site is using Linux/Unix and not a Windows box. Also, give it 5-10 minutes before you come to the conclusion that it doesn't work.
[edited by: The_Contractor at 1:42 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2005]
>>Yes, PR is different on :-
216.239.57.*
216.239.53.*
Just a temp roll back? Or new? <<
Very old ones. As old as a yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news :-)
"Have you seen the old man,
In the closed down market,
Picking up the papers,
With his worn out shoes,
In his eyes you see no pride,
And hanging loosely at his side,
Yesterdays paper,
Telling yesterdays news,
So how can you tell me you’re lonely,
And say for you that the sun don’t shine,
Well let me take you by the hand,
And lead you through the streets of London,
I’ll show you something to make you change your mind."
la...la...la... :-)
Irrational use of CSS
BTW ..who beleives that the list of things there ( pandia )came from google ..;) they are just speculating about their own observations ..they ain't the "plex"
@clean up ..leave them like they are ..one might get shot down next algo round ..merger them and they can get you with just the one bullet
It would be nice if all the people calling out what they see moving at particular DC's would try to read WW Watchers post about how it works in essence and then stop talking about fluctuation from any particular DC ..if you can't get the guys explanation what the **ll are you doing posting in "professional webmaster fora" ..even my 12 year old son can't see how you can't get this ..
And from where I post jagger 3 finished nearly 2 weeks ago ..I said so at the time ( tiny shifts up or down for us on page one positions ..like from #4 to #3 and back to #4 etc and a few thousand more or less on the "results found" numbers ..) ..maybe they let the smaller data pools have the stuff sooner ..
( smaller user language base in France ..les International DC's to update ..less boxes per DC ..less load etc )
You know the "bit push" or what ever "googlygeek" "techie phrase" it was tha t GG used ..( ROTFALOL )..
It's over the fat lady has sung ..and waiting around till GG tells you so is just laughable ..and pavlovian ..
When the update started it was denied ..during it's phases you were all given missdirection from GG and the cutts blog ( actually look at what was posted and what was actually done ..or not done and the dates and time frames given ..) ..
Get "unhypnotized" and move on ..reminds me of rabbits in headlights ..
The analysis here is almost zero ..and anyone ( as many did ) who made changes in the last 30 days or so ..why introduce variables into an unknown system in declared (eventually ) flux ( not "ever" ..but the real meaning of the word )..
Crawling has been restarted since the beginning of november ..heavy ..and the dates showing are now yesterdays or the day befores in almost the entire world ..except maybe Denmark and the USA apparently..
These threads just look like delayed chat between 20 or so posters ..problem is some newcomers actually seem to beleive that cos you're are all talking and posting so much on the subject of this update that you actually know what you are talikng about and can advise them ..
That would be tragic ~:o
The exception is maybe the canonicals problem ..but why not just accept that inspite of the PR and the statements from GG and the Cutts blog that they would fix it ..they didnt ..cos it is not a priority for them.
It's not on their list of "things we must do for the bottom line"..
Adwords and adsense are the priorities at the moment ..as they should be for they are what brings the money to google ..
I used that popular tool for checking pr across datacenters, and checked both www and non-www, for my site, because I recently added the redirect to my .htaccess file, expecting as one of the benifits to consolidate the PR that was split between them.
On the tool, for the www pr query it is consistant thru all IP addresses, for the non-www query, it shows about half of them displaying no pr.
So, is G in process of updating PR, and has it already found my redirect of non-www to www, and making the change, adding the PR from the non-www, to the www?
Any thoughts
Back to watching,
WW_Watcher
Edited to add, there is no difference in Back links displayed on any IP, for either non-www, or www.
[edited by: WW_Watcher at 2:28 pm (utc) on Nov. 14, 2005]
In fact, can I have your autograph, you're my hero.
Relax, let people do what they're gonna do, no point getting frustrated at them.
Cheers.
This is not new PR - 99% sure it is old. EG take Matts Blog - it is showing a PR0 on the datacenter with the different PR.
Sooo - it is more likely showing that it did not have the problem a month or so ago (eg PR was the same on www and non-www) - so in other words Google have only recently split your PR.
Only suffered recently from ranking loss?
It does look like Leosghost is correct, Google are not bothered about fixing the issue anyway.
However, just as there are fresh dates about does not indicate a deep crawl - yes I am seeing fresh dates from a day or two ago.
Cant see any evidence that Googlebot activity is heavy - but Pico_Train that is only looking at my own sites ;)
I think its time to assume things have well and truely ended as far as the jagger updates are concerned. New movement is flux.
I feel for the members who dropped and did not recover. I thought some would come back but I think the problems they have will now require some overall changes to their site and a rethink is required. Changes take time to have an effect but in my opinion the time has come to stop hoping a recovery will happen on its own. The changes will be unique to the sites and I doubt a pattern or clues will be seen by continuing to discuss jagger3 or watching the DC's. The difficulty is that changes, especially link ones, take a very long time to be effective, so it will be a long haul to recover.
Seems like in the past, the PR in the G directory was updated before the G toolbar PR was updated. I had not checked the G directory in some time (no real use for it), so I went and looked, and it appears to have been updated from the last time I had looked, but I do not remember the last time it was updated.
Anyone else see any changes in the PR ordering of the G directory?
Back to watching
WW_Watcher
Cant see any evidence that Googlebot activity is heavy
It sucks like 3 year old on speed on my server..
be effective, so it will be a long haul to recover.
Thanks that cheered me up tremendously ...
Anyway I assume G analytics is also a kind of trustranking implementation on the long run if they have enough data .. So I am gonna try that. Although I would have thought they already use the adsense data. It will be interesting to study the differences .. to check how well Google teams collaborate.
Tried about 4 methods of Mod r domain.com to www.domain.com, this one worked :) If anyone else needs it:
RewriteEngine on
Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www\.domain\.com
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [domain.com...] [R=permanent,L]
*note: some hosts block .htaccess from being viewed, but many do not.
The tool for checking PR across the datacenter IP addresses is now back to what it was, the same PR displayed accross all for both www, and non-www queries.
Back to work, will watch later
;-)
WW_Watcher
Regarding crawling, my main site was deep crawled this Saturday, and again on Sunday, and my Google viewing stats have shot up today to more than double the months average. Once the update has spread, I'll give an update as to what's happening.
But so far, so good. The site is 7 months old now, for those who relate to older and newer sites in the index.
[alexa.com...]
wots your point?
