Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Over and done with?
All done all through?
Throughout this entire update, everflux as been adding in new data, and re-arranging the results, on J1-3.
I changed every page of my site, to remove the javascript redirects(legit redirects to load orphaned pages into framesets), and to impliment a new javascript menuing system to remove the dependance on frames. I also created a sitemap for the site. All things I needed to do anyway to both improve the user experience, and to further improve my rankings. I have watched the data be indexed, and my site's pages in most keyword combinations move (mostly up), while other sites in the serps remaining mostly where they were. This movement (everflux) has occured within all the Jagger steps.
IMHO What GG was referring to as FLUX after the J3 update might be changes AFTER the J3 update, which has not yet been rolled out to all the datacenters, therefore not yet ready for the FLUX you are wanting to promote.
It is still MHO that what we are seeing is the rollout. Not the changes after the rollout.
Back to Watching
WW_Watcher
Edited to add,
I also implimented the .htaccess mod to do the redirect from non-www to www, and I started all these changes right before J1, when GG was reccomending the javascript redirect issue, and the WWW vs Non-WWW issue.
>>IMHO What GG was referring to as FLUX after the J3 update might be changes AFTER the J3 update, which has not yet been rolled out to all the datacenters, therefore not yet ready for the FLUX you are wanting to promote.<<
Then what do you call the changes within the same Jagger3 DC 66.102.9.104 that most of the folks have been witness to?
- Everflux? of course not.
- rolling out J3 to other datacenters? of course not.
- FLUX? yes of course :-)
I see the saga continues ;(
I don't think .9 is now showing the old .7 results as several people have stated. Firstly, we are in these listings in pretty much the same positions as on yesterday's 9., whereas we were way down on 7. Also, this is showing additional indented pages for a site directly under the initial listing, whereas these additional pages were missing on the old .7 – that sounds a bit confusing, but I’m sure everyone knows what I mean.
I also have a question -- does anyone know why a cache date is shown for a site for some search terms, yet is missing for the same site for other terms? Anchor/title text, description snippet and everything else remains the same for both listings. This is certainly not critical, or really related to Jagger, but it’s something I've been meaning to ask for ages and just never got round to it. Thanks!
Without knowing if any of these pages that the 2 people have reported movement on have been changes, or if they have added, or removed, or changed the linking structure within their site, or ANY other site in the serps with them, or any other site that may have added, changed, or deleted a link to them. All of which can effect a change in the order of the serps, I cannot exactly, but it sounds like the everflux that goes on everyday, all day.
I vote for Everflux.
Back to working, enough watching for now
WW_Watcher
>>I also have a question -- does anyone know why a cache date is shown for a site for some search terms, yet is missing for the same site for other terms? Anchor/title text, description snippet and everything else remains the same for both listings. This is certainly not critical, or really related to Jagger, but it’s something I've been meaning to ask for ages and just never got round to it. Thanks! <<
I'm not sure whether this could be the reason or the answer to your question. But just wish to mention that both TW, SEW and Matt wrote something about the recent "Cache issues"
[mattcutts.com...]
[edited by: LegalAlien at 10:16 pm (utc) on Nov. 12, 2005]
This is now getting silly.
Hi reseller
Not so bright and cheerful today -- did you run out of Danish cappuccino? Wish I could sticky you a creamy Lavazza :))
Thanks for the link -- I'll check that out now.
>>Hi reseller
Not so bright and cheerful today -- did you run out of Danish cappuccino? Wish I could sticky you a creamy Lavazza :)) <<
Thanks. In fact I had my share of both nescafe instant coffee and the Danish cappuccino this morning. I saw the folks "down" and posted some Jagger3 hopeful posts :-)
Then what do you call the changes within the same Jagger3 DC 66.102.9.104 that most of the folks have been witness to?- Everflux? of course not.
- rolling out J3 to other datacenters? of course not.
- FLUX? yes of course :-)
...and all this time I have been calling it 'Good for Me, Bad for You...'
If you are in my niche of course...
Will try to get it right from now on =)
Justin
I haven't added any recips or removed any but:
The week of Jagger 1, I purchased advertising from a PR6 site of my own niche, very relevant and showed up as backlinks to competitors (2) who also did. There's like 5 spots on each page (I bought one). They have shown nothing in my search for link:www.mysite.com and it's been at least 3 weeks!
I know you didn't ask this question but might add something to what you're looking for or help in some way. Maybe someone might advise?
you've mentioned "link sleuth" as a good diagnostic tool, but I can't find good notes on what the errors mean - ie "no such host" for many of the pages makes no sense - I can access them fine.
Very interesting observation MIOP... Does G penalize sites where there is a lot of dupe in the title? We have several pages with keyword + keyword + strap line. I wonder if the strap line is upsetting G. Most of our pages have sunk without trace, it so happens that the one page that has maintained its position doesn't have the strap... Hmmm, time to make a few investigative changes...
My own experience has been that the same title has often led to duplicate content and with some pages going to supplemental results. In the past when I have changed pages to have completely unique titles, I have seen them come out of supplementals and stand on their own.
Make sure that the pages aren't trying to set a cookie, spiders cannot deal with those. Make sure you have a backup to follow for when things other than browsers that access the site.
Still, it *was* lovely to see and I'm going to have another look to cheer meself up. :)
Same here- figuring at number one for one specific kw for allinanchor and 350 in the index. If I could pin down what is wrong with that page it might help. I am suspecting excessive internal cross-linking to that page at the moment.
[webmasterworld.com...]
On topic - I was devastated by G during the July algo changes. I went from top 5 to 30 something. After lots of loud screaming and ranting I went to work fixing my not spammy site. I added content, shortened my pages and linked to new pages addressing topics which previously showed up on main page. Reworked my title and description tags a thousand times and things resolved and I made a big come back within about three weeks. I spent days making changes, revising each day after viewing and studying the SERPS which were changing daily with all heavy spidering going on. I turned my panic (really hysteria) into non stop work. I'm on "stand by" now with Jagger having dropped from 2nd place to 5th for my main KW. I'm in a really competitive niche but came through so far with no real problems. I really do feel for the guys who were hit hard this go round. I'm sure I'll get mine again. The point is - you can recover with persistence and lots of analysing and ugh hard work.
Another site (in my niche) hogs up three other related search terms #1 & 2 for all three on gg.com, but #1 only, on the new DC.
In this niche, for these terms, it looks like they've held their top slots but the ol' 1 - 2 has been stripped down to one listing only per site.
I did note that for less searched terms (under 1,000,000) they still have dual listings though - go figure?
These sites carry the same - tagline - in their title tag throughout the site like, "Compare Our Prices", "See Our Prices Now" hooked to the end of every title. It looks kind of hokey, but I don't think it really mattered, GG likes them. That's only one niche of many though.
Must be Saturday night... This party is not as heated or Jagger frenetic as usual. I think we're all worn out.
One of the sites we compete with has done very well surviving JaggerX (we have not fared as well).
The main difference I see is that they have (in addition to multiple sites linking to one primary Yahoo store) almost ALL of their HTML stored as individual files at the top level (e.g. domain.com/filename.html).
The files are named as the keyword (eg keyword.html) AND the title in the content matches the keyword with maybe a couple of additional key words added in.
Is this white hat?
Should I be doing the same?
I have seen java and other scripts (in the header) hidden in outside files, in a Y! store because Y! puts so much cr*p in the head area by default - all kinds of default Yahoo! stuff. The webmasters try to put those in lib files to clean up the header for SE spidering.
I've never seen the domain, title or keywords - the head tags - hidden in outside files though. Very interesting, maybe someone will comment on what that is?
<<< The week of Jagger 1, I purchased advertising from a PR6 site of my own niche, very relevant and showed up as backlinks to competitors (2) who also did. There's like 5 spots on each page (I bought one). They have shown nothing in my search for link:www.mysite.com and it's been at least 3 weeks! >>>
Thanks for the info. Was this from a PR6 page, or was just the site PR6? Was this for the site in your profile? - Cool niche, by the way ;)
I wasn't really interested in whether the BL was showing, as for sure it's been credited after 3 weeks. I'm more interested in comments made in part 2 of this thread, about the possible devaluation of recips, which 'might have' happened just before Jagger.
Assuming this was for the site in your profile, this was a good link, so did you notice any serp movement for the phrase in your link around 2 days after your link was posted? It's probably difficult to judge if you were volatile at this time, but I thought to ask anyway.
Sorry to sound like I'm shining a spotlight in your face, but I'm finding it hard to get info on this.
<<< The main difference I see is that they have (in addition to multiple sites linking to one primary Yahoo store) almost ALL of their HTML stored as individual files at the top level (e.g. domain.com/filename.html). >>>
A lot of sites have been doing this for a while now, as deeper pages apparently aren't worth as much as root pages -- also PR-wise. I personally think this is really shabby though, particularly as it makes it incredibly difficult to maintain large sites. I continue to organize pages into meaningful directories that relate to and match the site's navigational layout. This seems totally logical to me and good design practice, irrespective of whether or not it's good SEO.
<<< The files are named as the keyword (eg keyword.html) AND the title in the content matches the keyword with maybe a couple of additional key words added in. >>>
I recently analyzed a bunch of sites that ranked well and remained stable throughout this update, and none of them used keywords in the URLs. Actually, I was surprised to see to what lengths they went to in order to avoid this. Title keywords have been discussed quite a lot in this thread, so you might want to skip back a few pages.
Unless there's a large amount of repeated keywords, I don't think you could accuse either of these methods of being spam though.
Hope this helps.
