Update Saga. Part 5

[Brett_Tabke]

What say you?

Over and done with?

All done all through?

[2by4]

gg, what's the deal with backlink spamming? Is Google considering that spam or not? On page stuff is trivial, this is the real problem.

[reseller]

GG

Very encouraging indeed! Thanks.

And here is "One for the Gipper" :-)

Folks! Don't wait to send Jagger-related spam feedback; I'd send that now. Using the keyword "Jagger3" at [google.com...] will get someone reading and checking it out.

P.S. Thanks joeduck for "Gipper" :-)

[edited by: reseller at 7:15 am (utc) on Nov. 11, 2005]

[tigger]

GG

should I resubmit the report if I see no action, or just leave it till the next shuffle / update?

[reseller]

zimba

"Reseller >>> I see alot to do with link quality in *9*, key phrases on each page and anchor text within links playing a very important roll. Your thoughts? "

Sounds like the good old whitehat SEO days, and nothing is new under Jagger3 sun ;-)

[Dayo_UK]

GG

Do you want reports on Canonlization issues? - you mentioned that you would send out a request at some stage?

Still the reinclusion request with the term canonicalpage get to the correct engineers?

Thanks

Dayo

[WebPixie]

Well that's it then. Sadly my sites are doing well on *9* so as much as I'd like to rage against the machine, I'll just have to be content. :)

Hopefully next update I'll have something to complain about. ;)

[joeduck]

GG - are supplemental problems off the table for now? Any idea when those will be addressed?

Reseller - it's "Gipper":

George Gipp on his deathbed said, “Rock, someday when things look real tough for Notre Dame, ask the boys to go out there and win for me.

[zimba]

GG
Im seriously impressed with how *9* seems to have penalised sites using dodgy methods. *9* hasnt deleted these sites from what I see but brought through the non dodgy site to the front. Whether this is by chance on the keywords I only watch or for all other sites I dont know, but so far I reckon *9* rocks.

From my side I cant see any evidence that G is trying to make more money from its SERPS. In fact from my side it would seem G is staying true to its core.

WELL DONE

[reseller]

Folks!

I see Matt posted something very interesting. Guess he is going now after "spammy doorway domains" ;-)

SEO Mistakes: Autogenerated doorway domains

[mattcutts.com...]

But to be fair, I wouldn't call it "SEO Mistakes", because its more a "Spammers Mistakes" :-)

[GoogleGuy]

tigger, I'd resend. Try to make the reports short, clear, and demonstrate a query that is spammed. It's possible that someone disagreed (e.g. you thought it was keyword stuffing, the person that saw the report thought that our scoring handled in okay).

[tigger]

cheers GG I'll resend it now also with my nic on it as well. also its hidden links not keyword problem, that I can live with its when these guys start using hidden stuff it gets my back up

[GoogleGuy]

tigger, got it and I took action on it.

[lee_sufc]

GG - what is going on with [64.233.179.99?...] is this anything to do with the update as I like what I am seeing there!..

[tigger]

thank you - you've put a smile on a depressed man :0)

just as a matter of interest as I've never completed one of these before what type of timeliness do you work to before something happens to the site?

[GoogleGuy]

tigger, it'll be gone by tomorrow or so.

[tigger]

thanks

[GoogleGuy]

lee_sufc, that's not a part of Jagger. Think of that as an experimental data center sitting off in corner. :)

[lee_sufc]

GG - thanks for the reply...

Soooo, is there absolutely no chance of those SERPS bein incoporated into this update in any way as I think they look excellent?

[followgreg]

googleguy,

Thanks for giving feedback here, much apreciated by all webmasters!

Hopefully you received my reports a few days ago, I'm also preparing another one (I'll send it out in a few minutes with my nick) since I found some "crazy" search type of site with over 300,000 pages which seems to be willing to hijack traffic using domain names....very weird, you guys will be judge but I think those are sneaky ones! :)
I will send to site:sneakydomain.com and you will see, for me this is a real major spam!

BTW, if you guys take care of cloaking and the like, I guess that my favorite major spammers will have a hard time, go inigo...GO!

Thanks

[edited by: followgreg at 8:19 am (utc) on Nov. 11, 2005]

[Dayo_UK]

That is what I call a Result tigger ;)

For the first time for a very very long time I am seeing my Homepage outrank internal pages on some searches on the J3 Dcs. - In position 400+ - but it outranks the internal :)

[LegalAlien]

2by4,

>> And besides, you really seem to be confused about this: why is any site deserving of any position in an absolute sense? Where do you get this idea from? What algorithm did you use to determine that a certain site had a right to a certain serp position? Can you show it to me? Is it published anywhere? Why does noone have access to this superior method? Would you be kind enough to publish it so we can all see it? <<

There you go again, implying that I said something that I didn't! I did not say that any site was deserving of any position. Nor did I say that there was any legal obligation on Google's part to ensure this.

What I did do was question your comparison of Google search with other media sources, which you obviously didn't like. As a result, the whole point of my original post has been lost in this unrelated squabble about who has the better understanding of corporate definitions.

First you misquote what I say. Then you go to town on this point with an overdose of sarcasm. Point taken. I won't question your authority in these matters again!

[tigger]

I agree Dayo, it would be nice to see our traffic return so fast - we can live and hope my friend

[reseller]

GoogleGuy

>>tigger, it'll be gone by tomorrow or so. <<

Power to you tigger & GG!

And power to my shameless anti-spam promotion spots, as well :-)

And folks!

You see for yourselves now. A good example of "Spam Reporting" in action. A win-win deal!

[tigger]

I don't know about a "win-win deal" I'll hold my breath until I see the outcome of this

[GoogleGuy]

lee_sufc, I'm glad you like it. Eventually some of the stuff at the data center may come in to play, but it would be a months kinda timeframe, not a days or weeks kinda timeframe.

[normasp]

Hi GG, Good moorning here in spain ;)
I sent a lot of spam reports about a page that has hidden text (at the bottom, a lot of links) like matt cutts says in his blog, with the keyword jagger (1, 2, 3) but this page is still here..

[lee_sufc]

Ok GG - look fowards to it - shame it wasn't being used now.... :-(

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

>>For the first time for a very very long time I am seeing my Homepage outrank internal pages on some searches on the J3 Dcs. - In position 400+ - but it outranks the internal :) <<

Should I understand that you intend to join us in "Jagger3 Fans Club" :-)

[lee_sufc]

also, GG, is there still going to be Flux in the .9 DC before it is used?

[Mountdoom]

GG, how busy is googlebot these days - has it got a lot of catching up to do? The algo may have been decided on, but presumably the flux goes on?