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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
“””Google is the biggest spammer the internet has ever known”””
Hopefully my post here will stay as it is unlike the shambolic vestiges of my previous posts that were either fragmented to Brett’s taste or splintered in a way to make google and GoogleGuy look good. If any editing is indicated below, please disregard any of the contents in this post.
Just to give you an Idea obout what was going on, alexa was forced to change its redirection methods to 301 after I exposed their 302 tricks. I have been banned by alexa ever since. A notable friend here confirmed that google may have forced alexa to do the change.
Clint,
Your plight in this bourbon update indicates an archetypical example of being collateral damage in the tyrannical and indomitable wake of google’s compulsive campaign to bolster its pay per click revenue for itself and stockholders.
The wrong thing to do is to start thinking about doing a 301 to resolve the non www which should be google’s job and this sort of thing never ends because we could forever tweak mod-rewrites to resolve even missing trailing slashes, dots in url etc etc etc etc etc. Your html code is fine and well within google to understand your site. There are HTML GURU sites that are also in oblivion. Wild guesses is no way to adjust or to create a website. And at the moment no webmaster in the world can suggest a method of creating a site that google approves of. Note how GoogleGuy avoids telling you what to do? Read googles patents and you will be excused to thinking that it is the end of the internet unless google is displaced.
Indications are 100% correct that google now also see 301 redirects as a sites instability and gets points deducted. Advocators in thousands of websites relating to 301 redirects being endorsed by google are misleading to say the least and could wind up your website in google’s cordon sanitair. Previously known and trusted methods of site creation are now the most dangerous methods to create a site.
GoogleGuy will provide a anthology of ignominious minutiae such as derisory 3.5 update procedures that insults the IQ of even the most junior of webmasters, heuristics, diminishing pagerank reputation, improved search provisions etc etc, thus being implemented in ongoing data-centres to improve results for end users.
No webmaster can lay claim to knowing how to create a website for google. The customer he makes a new site for is destined for an indefinite period in the cooler for up to 2 years. Many previously award winning web designs are in the sandbox or oblivion due to an earlier spectacularly named update. It is a total hit or miss affair.
There are no winners or losers. There are the unaffected and the damned. It is as simple as that.
Google has cost webmasters more than it is worth in the stock exchange. By increasing its already gargantuan database to an 8 billion colossus it now holds and infinite resource of expendable websites from its index. Expended sites invariably will resort to pay per click if removed from the index. As with any database a denominator is selected within their algo and “”BANG”” down goes the condemned sites into Hades’s domain locked up by Cerberus, a pitiless serpent tailed 50 headed google’s algo guard-dog.
As in bourbon this is most likely the case and there is nothing you can do to recover your site. It is now all about google having mercy on your hard work. All monopolies become the thing they first promise to avoid. In goggles case it has metamorphosed from the Masiah of the internet to become the most unfortunate event of the evolution of the web. A despot willing and able to thump its iron fist into the face of any webmaster it chooses.
Google provides 10 results by default within its first page search….. YOU THINK,,,,,, WRONG…..Very wrong. Google first comes up with sandboxed sites and non sandboxed sites.
Within a split second google filters out sandboxed sites and presents you with it own result. Your sandboxed site is in the filtered out sites irrespective that it may rank number 1.
Your demoted site after an update such as bourbon will be anywhere to oblivion. Most sandboxed sites are clustered within 100 to 200.
So here you have it, google’s algo is tweaked up with yet another denominator that works to pick out what google decides. You cannot possibly overcome it. It is pointless tweaking up your apache server or your webpages. 8 billion pages is an infinite resource. The slightest tweak brings in millions of dollars. A unsophisticated but highly effected method of printing money. Google is the biggest spammer the internet has ever known.
GoogleGuy’s desiderative here is to micturate an insensate catharsis on behalf of google. The more reasonable question you ask the more irascible and condescending reply you get. Good websites are being destroyed by google. Employees are being laid off, webmasters are getting a bad name all for maintaining GoogGuy’s and algo tweakers salary. Nothing is for nothing in this life and google is feasting on the blood sweat and tears of webmasters and websites
Any editing below this indicates Brett's intention on what he wants you to read. Please leave it alone Brett. There are webmasters here that need to know the algo procedure. It is a simple tweak to bring in millions. You know this and I want the readers to know.
I don't doubt that's true for your site, Clint, but it's probably better not to publicly dismiss the idea having merit at all or try to dissuade other users from taking the possibility seriously, because the new algorithm tripping over some bad HTML in their site or messing up www vs. non-www may be exactly what's caused their inexplicable crash and burn.
I'd be very surprised if all the sites that fell off the index after an update were having the same problem. I'm hardly an expert at what they might all be, but there are almost certainly at least a few different things going on here, not just one.
I don't know exactly to what statement you are referring, but it's not my intention to dissuade anything. I'm just passing along my observations which is all any of us can do, is it not?
"....I pointed out in a previous post that I ran all sites on the first couple of pages of results through the header checker, both their non and www versions and they all were http code 200, none were 301 redirect as they 'should be'. I however DID change mine and fixed that, because yes, of course it is logical to try and fix anything that "MIGHT" help. I however from my observations don't think it will."
That's just my observation as I stated. ;) We all have to try many things, and until some G employee will grace us with the WHY'S and specifics of what is going on (i.e. removals), I feel we all could be just spinning our wheels.
>My google traffic has gone up a few 100%, thank you google :) Loving the new algo :)<Congrats! But since when?
Reseller, the last 2/3 days when the Good algo came in :)
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You can also run any of the sites appearing on the first few pages for a G search through a validator and see tons of errors. (Recently one of these other 3 sites has also been trashed but it was not the one with all the errors).
True it a certain point. However, not all html syntax errors are fatal. Some are. Most of the time JS does not validate as it is not recommended by the W3C. Does not mean it will inhibit the crawl. My post to hellbourne concerned "fatal" errors as a bot sees it.
GoogleGuy’s desiderative here is to micturate an insensate catharsis on behalf of google.
HUH?
Most of the other keywords have been moved to 60th position or below. I can't seem to find my site for almost all 2 and 3 keyword combinations.
My site also has affiliate links with 'pure' content about the affiliate product with what I would consider useful information.
I was first hit at the beginning of feb 2005 and then further with this latest update. I don't even want to guess to as how bad it is for my site, but its not very good at all.
In the GoogleGuy thread I thought I read that this update isn't even half way finished. I can't seem to find the post at the moment.
I admire hellebourne for asking for advise as to what steps she can take to remedy her situation...and the fact that she is not afraid to allow some us examine her source code. Before you start making generalized assumptions that correctly formed html is not a valid reason for some sites taking a hit...you need to know that facts regarding her specific situation.
Sites are index than gone!
Sites are placed in the SERB's and if you gain a lot of free traffic they dissect you until 95% of your free traffic is gone!
Sites are randomly disappearing for 2 month or longer even if they are on the top for years and come back to the top if lucky ( Seasonal Algo Changes )
Site titles are edited by Google based on DMOZ editors! ( who has control ) I thought I know my site better!
There are webmasters here that need to know the algo procedure.
What algo procedure? Can you post it in a separate thread or send a sticky?
Now, some call it off topic, but since my new thread from May 31st is still on hold (!), lets put it again here.
First, if some people think that new changes are largely due to Google's business interests I don't see it off topic. If you know the motives it is much easier to explain something and play according to new rules.
Second, I don't think it is the case here.
Sure, the new corporate Google is different than before, but I see no real endangerment of the original "do no evil" spirit. I guess, according to their contract, the boys still have the last word.
Besides, Google has not experienced bad times yet. When the time comes, that will be real test for their policies.
What we see now, are temporary serps (why people don't believe the guy?) and any comments on it are futile at this moment, except maybe, why it lasts so long.
Regarding the forum postings, yes I agree, it is often moderated with a bias, but hey, you can always set up your own forum, can't you? ;)
[edited by: activeco at 5:01 pm (utc) on June 3, 2005]
I, WE are still awaiting on GoogleGuy's response as to why were certain sites targeted! What are the commonalties shared by the targeted sites?
Well that one's for you to work out!
You can't expext GoogleGuy to tell you, as that would defeat the object of the SPAM filter.
Talk (not publicly) with other members who have had problems, examine their URLs and try to spot a pattern.
