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My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]
It has nothing to do with JS!
It has everything to do with HTML!
such as...
Headers contained within <p>... close </i> or other tags preceding the <i> for example. Unclosed <p>, unclosed<font>, unclosed <h> , etc.
meta keywords tag containing a sentence and not comma delinated words which are mentioned in the body of the text.
meta keywords that are not mentioned anywhere in the body.
So on and so forth. When there are scores of this types of errors it DOES make a difference.
Come on....this is a very simple concept to grasp
"I don't know about Google's motives."
"I was trying to justify the talk about it."
Not knowing about googles motives is being naive. Are you afraid of airing your view?
Come on sir, the post I made about google could get me banned. If telling the truth results in being banned I'd rather be banned than shut up and abide by reticent rules of a taciturn dictator by burying my head in the sand.
Clint,
Your html is fine mate. All these guesses and unconfirmed possible fixes are a complete waste of time. Discussion is good and productive but bourbon has brought about the destruction of your website. You need a fix or be told by google that they no longer will rank your site. You will then know what to do. At the moment google feels too aloof from webmasters to aquisce with them. Google treats webmasters as scum of the earth. No guidelines and no warnings. ZERO apart from their debonair smooth talking representative that talks a lot but says nothing.
Drastic illnesses require drastic remedies. Google is responsible for the current pandoras box and the pandemic pestilence that has hit thousands of websites. The monoculture of a crop produces the monoculture of its pest. The internet has fostered the unstoppable google from determining if your site should exist or not. The only thing needed for your site to be ranking naturally amongst competition is the removal of the latest tweak in googles already overloaded algo with untold number of contradicting filters and anti-webmaster parameters.
EXCUSE ME. Well I DO know them! I know her site! Now, let's cut with the bashing. Not a person here is NOT making "generalized assumptions". If you happen to have some FACTS then why not please share them with others so others won't have to make "generalized assumptions"?
Please quit being so sensitive. I have "bashed" no one. She has asked for help and I have corresponded with her in private out of respect. If you do have the facts about her website, you should have noticed these things. Many times people overlook the most simple and obvious things because of the propensity to over-complicate.
If your website has syntax errors, I would suggest you correct them also. Do not worry about JS, especially if you were given that code by google or your shopping cart to copy and paste into your code.
All the while, my RELEVANT site is getting trashed further and further into the bowels of cyberspace, along with my LIFE.[/myself]
Google is trashing your life? Wow....time to find a new source of income and stop letting google trash you then.
Obviously you're one of the lucky ones that doesn't stand to lose anything. Easier said than done when you're 45 with medical problems that have you disabled including heart problems, and with a family.
[others quoted in webfusion's post]
Bring on the FTC.
Many of you are going to hate me for this but...
Any site that carries Google Adsense on the front page should never be allowed to list in the top 10 positions of any natural google listing. Seems to me this is a HUGE conflict of interest that Google can manipulate to its own ends just like so many other issues they currently sweep under the rug.And what would the FTC say? You're not allowed to manipulate your own product? Give me a break...google doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. If they wanted to make the first 100 listings all adsense sites, they are perfectly within their right to do so. A company can do anything it wants to its product. The fact that so many people put their fiscal lives in google's hands is not their problem - it's yours.
Seems to me they are going head long into so many different media avenues they have become a marketing entity and therefore should be REGULATED based on market share similar to how AT&T was regulated at one time.Apples and oranges. At & T was a M-O-N-O-P-O-L-Y, Google IS NOT.
The fact that they have the largest market share has to do with the fact that they built a better mousetrap, not the forced exclusion of competition. Anyone in the world is free to build a comptetior to google and steal their business, just as they did to altavista/yahoo etc.
Don't worry if the feds get involved the SEO game will still be afoot but this time there will be some set of rules a search engine must abide to be a search engine.Yep...that's just what we need...rediculous government rules dictating the method in which a search engine can disply it's results. And who would be the judge of that? I amy have a vastly different set of criteria to what I consider relevant to a search than you do, and so will the next person.
If we're going to start recommending rediculous government intervention, shouldn't we also consider mandatory fines for search engine spamming. As well as making it a felony for someone to hijack a site and/or scrape a sites content. Where should we stop with your government intervention?
YAWN.
Maybe I'm crazy.
What's your take on this?Yep. You're nuts.
Wow. I also don't think it's appropriate for you to call members here "nuts". You apparently either work for google or hold stock in them. If some outside source DID get involved, I this would probably not be happening. I'm all for the Gov't butting out of things, however some things DO need to be "regulated" or at least "overseen".
G may or may not be a monopoly by definition. Do they have "exclusive possession or control"? Yes to a point, and that is a "monopoly".
Yes, there SHOULD be "fines" for SE spamming, as also for "scraping" and "hijacking", why would someone deny that? That would certainly clean things up and help those of us with LEGIT websites.
The fact of the matter is they did build a better mousetrap, that is past tense--DID. No one will deny that they they HAD the best SE in existence, I LOVED it. However that is no longer the case as of May 21st. Their "mousetrap is broken" or least seriously flawed at this time. Hence the reason for this thread.
Anyone that searches for anything WANTS relevant results. Relevant results are just that; relevant results. If your definition of relevant results is link farms, affiliate sites, shopping directories, etc., etc., then I guess you really do have a "vastly different set of criteria" than others and you're happy now. Good for you...so then why are you here if you have not been affected?
Instead of bashing members' posts perhaps you can contribute something to this thread that will HELP those of us that have been victimized by this "update" (of which you are obviously not one. This update must have helped you. If so, good for you, but have some compassion and understanding for those that it is ruining). We are supposed to be HELPING and SUPPORTING each other here, and trying to find answers, not criticize each other.
Thank you.
Getting back on the update topic, I find that Yahoo's results continue to be superior to Google's.
If I were to guess why, it would be for 2 reasons.
The first is that Yahoo gives weight to the "allins" why Google doesn't, or doesn't in the case of a site it decides to penalize.
The second is that it seems much, much better handling multi-word search queries, perhaps because it takes word proximity in consideration.
clint and hellebourne.
It has nothing to do with JS!It has everything to do with HTML!
such as...
Headers contained within <p>... close </i> or other tags preceding the <i> for example. Unclosed <p>, unclosed<font>, unclosed <h> , etc.
meta keywords tag containing a sentence and not comma delinated words which are mentioned in the body of the text.
meta keywords that are not mentioned anywhere in the body.
So on and so forth. When there are scores of this types of errors it DOES make a difference.
Come on....this is a very simple concept to grasp
I'm all for the Gov't butting out of things, however some things DO need to be "regulated" or at least "overseen".
A federal court has ruled that Google's rankings are "opinions" which are protected by the First Amendment. You can read the judge's comments at:
[research.yale.edu...]
It is very simple to validate if you have JS.
First, take out your JS.
2. instead of ftping the revised site to your server, use the "browse for files" located on your computer.
3. Run the validation for your html without the JS included.
4. Then go back and add your JS
5. ftp your revised file.
PS...you will need to declare your doctype...otherwise the validater will fall back to utf-8. start with html 3.2 and go from there. in the w3c website you can get the doctype codes and paste at the top of your page before your <html> tag.
sites without meta tags will validate just as well as those that don't. just because no meta tags are present does not mean it is not properly written code.
My whole point of this does not relate to anyone except hellebourne and her dilimma. Examples of other sites doing well in the serps has nothing to do with her.
I repeat....I am not making a blanket generalization that everybody who has dropped in the serps go and frantically start tweaking their code.
However, for me I had a couple of <p> tags that were not closed. When bourbon started I dropped big time. Now I am back on the first page. Maybe this had nothing to do with my site making up lost ground...I don't know for sure.
In any event, one should always author code that validates.
