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Google Update Bourbon Part 3

         

Sweet Cognac

8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Continued From:

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My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

wiseapple

7:45 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is easy to identify bad Adsense publishers... Very simple plan:

- Premise: The Adsense database knows every web page that ads are on. Let just say ads are placed on 50 million pages.

- Hire 500 temp workers. These do not need to be high skilled workers. Provide them with templates of what a scraper site or bad sites look like.

- Write a program that pops up one URL at time in front of the worker. The worker compares it to the bad templates. If it is bad, they mark it for a second review. If it does not pass second review, they are thrown out of the Adsense program. It is also flagged to be removed from the main Google index.

- On average, each worker can look at 100 pages per hour. With 500 workers, that is approximately 50,000 pages per hour. This would work out to be about 400,000 pages per day. If you run a 24-hour shift, 1.2 million pages per 24 hour period. This means, you would complete a full review of all adsense pages within about 1.5 months.

The following issues would be served:
- It would reward good publishers. Ad inventory going to bad sites would now be available for good sites. Possibly increasing CPM.
- It would increase the credibility of the overall Adsense program. They should have been more picky from the start. They should not have allowed the rule that you can use your publisher id on any site.
- Adwords publishers would feel good that their ads are not being pushed to bad sites.
- It would help the economy by putting 500 people to work. Google says it gets 1 million resumes a day. I am sure they would not find it hard to find 500 people to this. They could even do it from home.

Sometimes technical solutions dont cut it.

oldpro

7:46 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am looking at a "bad adsense publisher" now that is occupying a top five position in my keyword serps right now...

It is a directory of sorts that has an index of popular search catagories. Basically it is structured like this. Click on a catagory and it brings up a list popular websites in that catagory. The page templates are the same...adwords by goooooogle on the right side and at the bottom of every page in every catagory is links to online poker, via@ra, matchmaking, etc...at the top of each catagory listing is content that a 6th grader could tell that has been scrapped from the websites listed.

This garbage has no redeeming value. Obviously written for adsense and ppc for gaming, drugs and dating sites.

Digging a little further...this same website is in most of the top 10 serps for the targeted keywords in each catagory listing.

funandgames

7:49 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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wiseapple,

I doubt each of the workers will work 24 hours per day. If three shifts, only 500/3 or 167 workers can work a shift.

MHes

7:57 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>..pollutes the serps and acts as nothing but a glorified doorway to the advertisers.

Isn't that what the advertiser wants?

wattsnew

7:58 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You only need "the workers" to examine and dump the scraper sites in the top 10.....

Once every 60-90 days.

Will Spencer

7:58 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google doesn't need to hire all of those people -- they could just start reading their spam reports...

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[Admins: Please delete the Google URL if it violates site policy.]

oldpro

8:03 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Mhes,

Isn't that what the advertiser wants?

Good point, but the organic serps in theory should be what the searcher needs or wants.

MHes

8:10 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>but the organic serps in theory should be what the searcher needs or wants.

But if Google sees people clicking the scrapers in the organic results and then clicking the adsense on a scraper site...... the evidence is that the user is finding the site they want AND google is making money indirectly from the organic results.

Win Win

BillyS

8:12 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's funny that GoogleGuy mentioned that we should stop worrying about ranking right now. After 12 months in the sandbox, I've all but given up on Google. I mean how sad is this - that I would check my Google rankings each day hoping that I would get out of the sandbox.

For last month I got a total of about 30 referals from Google. Mostly on exact phrases (in quotes). Often I am the only result. The only phrase I now check is my name (somewhat unique and no one would optimize for it, not even me). I rank ~450, although a couple of DCs had me at 780+.

I think they will eventually figure out that the site is legitimate. I can't imagine my site has a penalty. Several members here were nice enough to provide me with good comments. None came back with any warnings (they shouldn't have since it's white hat).

If it's due to links then I'm doomed. Scrapers love my site because it does well in Yahoo.

walkman

8:26 pm on Jun 1, 2005 (gmt 0)



as far as adsense: they can flag via the algo the ones that match let's say 95% of a scrapper site's characteristics, e-mail the webmaster with a one week notice of suspension (unless you e-mail and clear with with them).

They can also put some sites under a "suspicious" category and check them manually. No need to check every page of a site. If you run a site: command, you can see what's hiding in there. Domain.com/high-paying-keyword/high-paying-keyword.htm tends to raise a few alarm bells.

This way the serps are cleared and no innocent site gets caught (because you have week to e-mail them and state your case). To avoid a backlog, they can issue warnings in stages: by IP range, category, country etc.

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