Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
clint - IBL for google shows most links when queried -link;www.domain.com with a semi-colon instead of colon! Other engines like yahoo and msn would be link:http://www.domain.com
Coop99, like "ShutT" said about it finding pages with the words "link" AND "yourdomain.com" in it is true, but it appears that is one way to find pages that have your domain on them. It seems the same as doing a search for link yourdomain.com and now that I look at the results for link;domain.com it looks like you may get ever better results just looking for yourdomain.com, however the SERP's will show that exactly and not necessarily those that LINK to you. In other words, if someone links to you and only has link text and not your DOMAIN NAME in the text (domainname.com showing only in the HTML code), those won't show in the search.
I don't remember where I read it - some SE or SEO e-mail... But the idea that was thrown around was in this update Google had done a very good job of removing or discounting the weight associated with paid, run of site, and other questionable/multiple listings.
Earlier when I did that PR check of some sites that link to me and I mentioned most of the sites' PR stayed the same, many rose and just a few dropped.....some of the sites that rose were link farm/directory pages.
The command for all links to any page of a domain in MSN has been changed, the new command is:
linkdomain:
Justin
My post a couple threads back says same thing!
One day it's this and the next day some sites are that. hmmmmmmm I'll never trust Google rank again!
I see, this is how the mods can control a member's standing. I think they need to reevaluate their definition of "noise" since Maria (since she mentioned it) is still stuck on post #1 and I don't see any "noise" from her.
I only recently started monitoring the pages of where my outside links reside
Unless you are monitoring their own IBLs, the PR of those IBLs, how many outbound links they have on the page, their own page structure elsewhere in their site and a load of other factors your monitoring won't give you any conclusive answers
Understood.
.... 1 page rose 2 spots, and 1 page rose 3 spots... 3 dropped 2 places ...So, if, if, IF that means anything, I not only should have at least stayed the same at worse, but I should have GAINED PR!
Not so. Those figures are inconclusive of an earned rise even if you've accounted for ALL your IBLs. Clint, if you make flaws in your reasoning you are likely to get flaws in your conclusions.
when everything I've been saying is identical to what at LEAST FIVE OTHERS have said just on the last several pages alone
It's not a huge number considering WW's one million visitors a day. Further, without meaning any disrespect to those five members, I'm not sure all of them are experts in PR. Five people could be mistaken.
You seem to be reading into posts only what you want to see them. At least means just that, AT LEAST, meaning MORE THAN a noted amount. It does not mean a specified amount, it means MORE THAN a specified amount. It was also indicated that "just on the last several pages alone", again meaning just as it implies; NOT ALL PAGES on this thread. In case you don't know, NOT ALL of WebmasterWorld 1 mill+ visitors are on this one thread. JUST THIS THREAD, and, the LAST SEVERAL PAGES of this thread is what is being specified, so I fail to understand what a million visitors has to do with a several people on this one thread topic alone. Now, you're free to go back and read all ~350 posts on this thread and come up with the number greater than 5 which I referenced on the last several pages (prior to today).
Furthermore, no one is "mistaken". I don't recall seeing anyone stating they were experts in G PR. Do you think everyone is mistaken that looks at their toolbar and sees a "PR0" where days prior they saw "PR5"? Are they imagining it? Am I "mistaking" when I see a PR3 on one of my sites that certainly does not deserve it, where days prior it was a PR0 where it SHOULD be? No. Don't you have something better to do than to pick apart my words to suit yourself?
So can we get off of this crap?
Getting upset with me won't help. While it is incorrect to conclude that there is no fault just because you can't see it .. it is likewise incorrect to conclude that there is a fault based on some members' opinions. Unless you have the crawling/analysing resources to muster "proof".
I'm upset for you for reasons just pointed out. You seem to find joy in ripping my posts. Facts (which I and others have cited) are not opinions, they are FACTS. It IS a FACT that a brand new, one page, blank page site with no OGL or IBL (and not found in SE's) has a PR of 3, which makes no sense. It is a FACT that a previous PR5 site/page on top of the SERP's with a thousand+ IBL's and growing dropped to a PR3. It is a FACT that of 3 nearly identical sites with previous same PR's, with the exact same IBL's and OGL's, on the same IP and server; 2 dropped TWO spots and one stayed the same. There are more "facts". The only "opinions" from people is that something is NOT RIGHT with the G PR based UPON these facts and dozens of other facts. Now if you feel that "something is not right" is erroneous, that it all makes perfect sense to you, then that's fine by me, I wish I lived in your world for it sounds far less stressful.
Please, just ignore my posts.
good move
Alexa has a PR0! Is it my toolbar hallucinating?
Yes, you are right and no backlinks.
About time with their nasty redirects.
With google's cash, I would have thought it all be sorted, and people's sites should have accurate rankings by now. It's been quite a few days since it started.
All these feathers and they still can't fly lol
When an automated sytem needs work there is rarely a real person readily available to take on the task. I think if Google lightened up on employment requirements like microsoft then there would be a lot more techs there to handle these bugs when they come up. Or better yet test everything so there are no bugs!
That company has so many "products" in testing it is hard to keep focused on the other things that have been there all along.
ahhh. hmmmm interesting. If google can't handle the foolbar, what's going to happen to consumer confidence when they launch their other little toys?
I dunno, Google, Yahoo etc I think sometimes they should just hire a load of techies in, fix everything and then it's all sorted once and for all. Instead poor webmasters are frustrated about their sites percieved value. Who needs a green bar to say a site's good or not.
Surely just looking at sites can tell you if they are useful or not. I mean is this what the web has come to? Foolbar is a fitting name indeedy.
I understand that a product has to be released in order for a realistic measure of value, but come on. Anything with the google name on it is gold and any tool that comes from those labs, in my opinion, would be used by numerous people regardless of value. It makes more sense to me to make a product right the first time no matter how long it takes and then let it ride for awhile. Instead of jumping the gun, releasing it, and then fixing all the bugs while we get pissed that our new tools have been pulled.
Certainly if google corrected everything (yeah right) WebmasterWorld google news would not be as popular as it is now! With gains there are also loses. Pros & Cons on both sides of the board.
I love google dont get me wrong, just my opinion.
"Foolbar" - it could stick if things keep up like they are. LOL
"We're sorry but you do not have permission to access [alexa.com...] Your IP address, 66.249.65.102, has been blocked due to a possible violation of our Terms of Service."
Did Alexa block Google?
Installed Yahoo Messenger and then foolbar PR came back on from 0 to 1....... Strange things are a happening. Could it be an IE thing - making people's PR vanish and then reappear?
God only knows.
Just today, I went back to 4 from 3...and then back to 3 again!
I have uninstalled the toolbar.
Google has dozens of datacenters that it pulls data from. Some of these aren't updated with the new toolbar data yet, so the switching means nothing at all. It is completely normal and expected. If you want it to stay the same, alter your Hosts file:
66.102.7.104 toolbarqueries.google.com
If you want to know how to do that, search your favorite search engine.
in the next day(s) i'll think we know more ;)
Oh I should mention this is just for the index page. Interior pages are showing backlinks.
I mean, I see so many people happy with a PR x of their main page, when all the other pages might have a PR that's 2 or 3 spots lower.
On my site I don't get most of my search engine traffic via the main page and to be honest I don't really care, traffic is traffic and they'll find the main page anyway.
So please stop with the nonsense about "my site has a PR of x" when you're talking about a page, nothing more, nothing less.
And all that fuzz about PR's, geez, some people look at it as some dumb reward for their site, heck, even experienced webmasters from the looks of it.
Grow up guys.
So no green bar can ever replace cash or unique business ideas.
Is this just some quirk with the public PR/backlink checking on Google?
As there seem to be many newer webmasters in this thread I will once again attempt clearing some comments up so they don't get confused. ;)
It is incorrect to conclude that there is a fault based on some members' opinions.
Facts (which I and others have cited) are not opinions
There are facts and there are opinions and some get the two quite mixed up.
Fact: There is a page that got PR3 with no obvious IBLs that Clint could find
Opinion: There's something wrong with the toolbar
Conclusion: If Google is aware of the page, how did Google get aware of it? It must have found a link to it somewhere. Or somebody else found a link to it via a toolbar the webmaster uses, an unprotected stats page, a mention in a robots.txt... or some other means altogether... and they linked to it which link Google picked up but is not showing the IBL as that page was blocked by robots.txt (so Google reads the page but does not put it in SERPS). Or, there was a page which linked but the page has since been deleted. I'm not prepared to accept that Google finds pages miraculously.
Fact: a previous PR5 site/page on top of the SERP's with a thousand+ IBL's and growing dropped to a PR3
Opinion: It shouldn't have dropped to a PR3, PR is faulty
Conclusion: There are several reasons why some of the IBLs could be discounted or devalued. This does not prove anything about the toolbar/PR being faulty for this site/page. If there are identical pages that have maintained their PR - and they are as identical in OGLs and IBLs as stated - then there's probably a penalty in place for some of the near dup pages.
Fact: Several other webmasters have complained about dropping PR
Opinion: Because there are several people reporting the same symptoms the conclusion can only be that PR is faulty.
Conclusion: There could be 5 - or 50 - webmasters who've lost PR. Surprise, surprise, that sometimes happens. We do not have enough data to know whether their drop was "justified" or caused by a flaw in the toolbar. The chances are they don't have that data themselves. It is likely they may feel hard done by. That doesn't prove anything.
Worth checking out: Logical Fallacies [google.com]
Some people just waste too much time on worrying about things or blaming everything on everybody except themselves.
