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You can also query "domainname" text only and see MOST links in google.
My point was that the "link:" command for google is worthless if you are trying to see MOST of the google indexed pages linking to a site. They only show a FEW with the "link:" command.
It sounded to me like he was just looking for different options or ways to find indexed pages linking to his site in google. I was only trying to show him one I knew of.
You are right when you say that it queries "link;" and "domainname.com" only. I should have mentioned that in my post. Thought the MOST was vague enough.
We all know that forums are full of pointers and opinions from a wide range of sources (some credible, some not). This is just mine and I appreciate you sharing yours!
Are the datacentres flucuating?
More importantly is that spelt right?
As for the other question, my PR on the toolbar is still changing between 0 and 5 every hour or so. Our site is fairly new, with links only added last week. So, it's fairly surprising that it's even getting a PR5.
Maybe this is some cunning plan by Google to encourage webmasters to update pages and increase links... i.e. instead of waiting weeks/months to see results of improving your site, you can see the results almost instantly. I have to say that it worked for me, I was STOKED to see that we had gone from PR0 on friday to PR5 on monday morning!
The PR in the toolbar is a little bit unstable though my homepage shows the PR6 most of the time and then the old PR0 value at others. I guess this is a google server issue? I anyone seeing anything similar?
Our site also only got its first few incoming links last week, so this is a lot more rapid PR gain than I expected. Even more surprisingly, we are getting a PR5 with only about 10 reciprocal links. Granted, one of those is PR6 and two others are PR4, but the others are pretty rubbish. I'm very suprised that we are even anywhere near a PR5.
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know where to get stats on percentages of various PageRanks. i.e. what percentage of all sites in Google are PR1, PR2, PR3, etc.
When Google displays your backlinks, it only tells you how many there are and where they are. If you want to see their effect on your pagerank you have to visit each page. You also have to cancel the effect of cycles, or link loops.
Michael, remember that G doesn't display backlinks correctly. In my case it only shows about 3% of mine.
These, I am guessing, are current? If so, you are trying to find the answer with inaccurate data.A link: check on Y shows this for the number of links:
(Including www and non www searches)
Main site: about 900, and it dropped 2 PR (on index).
Secondary site: 260, and it dropped 2 PR.
Unrelated one page site 1: only 17 and its PR stayed the same and matches that of my main site's index.
Unrelated one page site 2: only 20, and it dropped 2 PR.
Unrelated one page site 3: only 20, and its PR also stayed the same and matches that of my main site's index.
Yes, those are current. If "inaccurate", then I don't know of any other way.
(Answers are NON italicized) :
The questions are:
How many links did each have at the time of the last PR toolbar update, compared to the number of links that were accounted for in this update?
I don't know when the last PR update was, but my links always increase they never decrease, and any BL check always shows the increase.
What was the PR of the pages that contained each of those links at the exact time of the last update?
If you mean the PR of the pages that link to me, I only recently started monitoring the pages of where my outside links reside. I just checked 51 pages of those of that link to me and the PR on those 51 pages:
33 Stayed the same.
11 Rose in PR. 9 of those pages rose 1 spot, 1 page rose 2 spots, and 1 page rose 3 spots.
7 Fell in PR. 4 dropped 1 place, 3 dropped 2 places.
So, if, if, IF that means anything, I not only should have at least stayed the same at worse, but I should have GAINED PR!
What was the PR of those same pages that contain the links at the exact time of the more current update?
I guess that's inclusive above.
What was the exact link structure of each page of you site at the exact time PR was last updated?
What was the exact link structure of each page of you site at the exact time of the most recent update?
My link structure has not changed.
How has the PR of the links pointing to the sites/pages that link to your site changed from the last update to this update? How has the PR of the links pointing to the sites/pages that point to the sites/pages that link to you changed from the last update?
I have no idea. To answer that I would have to do a link:domain.com check of not only all sites that link to me, but sites that link to THEM as well.
I promise, we are trying to give you answers, but the only real answer is to read the documentation for yourself (or resign yourself to listening here) and then watch, monitor keep records and adjust at every update. I understand you ranked well before the Bourbon update, and if I am reading your posts correctly, you are again ranking well... Be Glad!
Yeah, I mentioned I got back most of my pre-Bourbon updates but not my most important ones. I mentioned yesterday that I rose in the G SERP's at Google.com here which coincided with the DC's where my PR's DROPPED...and commented that if a lower PR meant higher SERP's for me, I'd gladly accept that! Today however, I not only LOST those gains in SERP's but the PR here is still showing those ridiculous things I mentioned.
....If you do not have this kind of time to spend to understand how things are happening and where they are going, please trust some of us who are trying to help you out, and don't scream "broken" the first time something you do not understand happens.
I fail to see the reason to "admonish" me, when everything I've been saying is identical to what at LEAST FIVE OTHERS have said just on the last several pages alone. So, if you're going to start making statements like that to ONE PERSON, I suggest you make them to ALL, or to no one at all.
Obviously there are errors, things get broken or out of alignment, and stuff always happens... But, for the most part, most of the time, things work the way they should.
That's probably true, MOST of the time, but not all. The general consensus on this thread (and again, I am NOT alone), is that something IS wrong with the PR. Too many have cited to many examples of PR making absolutely no sense at all, and (like Bourbon), just because someone doesn't SEE it themselves, does NOT mean it is not happening. If I hear that meteorites are striking the Earth and I go outside and don't see anything, I'm not about to say: "Ohh, that's BS, I don't see anything over here" when there are indeed multiple hits all over the planet. Just because one is not personally experiencing an event does not belittle its existence.
My site's homepage had a PR of 4. I did nothing but add relevant content and the other day I signed on and it was down to 3, which prompted me to join this discussion. This morning, I signed on and it's back up to 4.
Confusing. Whatever G is doing, I hope they haven't forgotten or forsaken us.
Pages that received toolbar PR in latest update now back down to white bar.
Suggy
Is your website getting google visitors again? If so, what do you attribute it to?
The best picture I get is
link:domain.com in Yahoocombined with
linkdomain:domain.com in MSN
ADD them together? Wouldn't that be duplicating most links? Most of what is found on Y is going to be found in MSN and if both show 500 that doesn't mean you have ~1000 IBL's.
I just noticed again that Y is still showing fewer and fewer links. About 10-25 less each time I check.
Anyone ever "hover" over the PR area and notice the text before "(X/10)"? Laughable if not so pathetic: "PageRank is Google's measure of the importance of this page". Obviously G needs to reevaluate their definition of "importance". LOL.
just because someone doesn't SEE it themselves, does NOT mean it is not happening....Just because one is not personally experiencing an event does not belittle its existence.
And just because some think it is not working doesn't mean that it really is broken. It could well be broken ... or they could well be mistaken. ;)
Clint, how's trix. You seem to have calmed down a bit.
Hee hee! :) :) That can change by the minute! ROTFLMAO. It's a "barometer" of how G is working! ;)
Is your website getting google visitors again? If so, what do you attribute it to?
And just because some think it is not working doesn't mean that it really is broken. It could well be broken ... or they could well be mistaken.
So everything I and MANY OTHERS are seeing is an illusion, a nightmare in our sleep, we're making it up and it is not happening? JUST LIKE BOURBON, whether or not is it "broken" is irrelevant. Call it would you will, but it is NOT functioning within PRIOR established parameters, it is not behaving logically, it is not behaving sensibly. Now what ever you want to call that is FINE by me and I accept your definition. So can we get off of this crap? Pondering on the correct definition of its behavior is useless and serves no one.
Thank you.
>> .... 1 page rose 2 spots, and 1 page rose 3 spots... 3 dropped 2 places ...So, if, if, IF that means anything, I not only should have at least stayed the same at worse, but I should have GAINED PR!
Not so. Those figures are inconclusive of an earned rise even if you've accounted for ALL your IBLs. Clint, if you make flaws in your reasoning you are likely to get flaws in your conclusions.
>> when everything I've been saying is identical to what at LEAST FIVE OTHERS have said just on the last several pages alone
It's not a huge number considering WW's one million visitors a day. Further, without meaning any disrespect to those five members, I'm not sure all of them are experts in PR. Five people could be mistaken.
Added:
>>So can we get off of this crap?
Getting upset with me won't help. While it is incorrect to conclude that there is no fault just because you can't see it .. it is likewise incorrect to conclude that there is a fault based on some members' opinions. Unless you have the crawling/analysing resources to muster "proof".
I'm not getting into a big argument about this. You do seem to go for A4 after A4. ;) So, I'll withdraw now and let the "discussion" continue.
The best picture I get is
link:domain.com in Yahoocombined with
linkdomain:domain.com in MSN
ADD them together? Wouldn't that be duplicating most links? Most of what is found on Y is going to be found in MSN and if both show 500 that doesn't mean you have ~1000 IBL's.
I didn't mean to add them together... I meant more of a spread-sheet style, where you remove the duplicates - There are some MSN will have and others Y! will have. By combining the two pictures, (only counting each site/page once), you get a pretty good idea of links in.
I have actually spidered these a couple of times, and then sorted by domain, removed the duplicates and *poof* there's a fairly acurate list of inbound links.
Something to note about MSN is that they only list each domain 2 times in the regular results using the linkdomain: command. If you click on the 'more from this site' you will see all the links a particular domain has to you, so the count of page 1 of 1350 results is not necessarily an acurate count.
Hope this helps.
Justin
BTW G only show 3% of my links... worthless... is the right answer =)
Clint, Google wont show PR for a page that it has not crawled (doesn't know about).
Kirby if you're talking about that brand new one-blank-page website I mentioned with the same PR now as my main site's homepage.....the G bot was there a couple of days after it was up. (But it doesn't show in the G SERP's). The bot hasn't been back since that I've noticed and I have been checking a lot.
And just because some think it is not working doesn't mean that it really is broken.
Or maybe it's your website that is broken.
I manage 30 websites for clients. NONE of them fell in rank, 1/3 rose in rank.
And just because some think it is not working doesn't mean that it really is broken.Or maybe it's your website that is broken.
I manage 30 websites for clients. NONE of them fell in rank, 1/3 rose in rank.
OH PUH-LEEZE! Well congratulations! Here we go again! Just because YOU don't see it, it's ALL PERFECT TO YOU isn't it! Geeeze. And who the hell said it's only ONE website? So...FOUR of my websites just all of sudden without any changes from me "just got broken" along with dozens of other people's sites in this thread? How the hell can a "broken" website still function as it has for years anyway? How can a brand new one page BLANK PAGE website with NO IBL nor OGL be "broken" and show a PR of 3? You go right on believing that.
Interesting, doesn't sound very legit or accurate does it.
>>>I even recently added a few "no follow" tags to some of the sites I link<<<<A no follow tag is not an indication of a banned site, which is a site that in-between updates loses all its PR, gets a 0, that is. The no-follow tag just aks the robot to not index the page.
I know. What I meant was (and I thought I said this) was I placed the "nofollow" href tag on some of the links on MY link partners pages where I thought the pages to which they went are usually associated with UCE and the like, so the bots would not follow those links out. Someone suggested that on some other thread.
>>>Huh? Not sure of what your intention is there. Sounds insulting? I hope not<<<<Not offended one bit Clint. My intention here up to now has been to READ and LEARN. As you can see I was registered in Nov.2003, 3 months after I purchased my first domain and have been silent most of the time. I don’t even know why I only have one registered post. Something with my profile I guess which I didn’t care to fill in. There should be around 5-6 posts in all. If I was a SEO trying to find customers I would make sure to get senior asap!
Hee hee. Well that's good, but I see we got our wires crossed. What I meant was a line in your post sounded insulting! ;) Water under the bridge now.
I too joined in Nov. 03 right after the G update that happened around that time. I noticed that too--something is always messed up with post counts here. I've been stuck on 253 for 3 days now. A while I was stuck on about 30 when I had over 200. I probably have over 400 now, so I don't know what the problem is with it.
Is google not considering or showing the backlinks which are coming from PR0 sites?
I am not seeing any changes for my site I mean before PR update and now.
Update threads dont count.
If this is correct it might explain some of the drops in PR, and some of the drops in BL count.
Don't know this is only speculation.
Justin
